Suck inside cause of the smoke from the forest fires

Marina Crane (00:02.414) Hello. good morning. It's ten o'clock Friday, the twenty-fourth of July, and today Sutina Nation is having their annual celebration, which includes POW, Rodeo, Hand Game Tournament, Slow Pitch Tournament, and Golf Tournament. So we get people from all over Western Canada coming to our Pow Wow our celebration. And I sort of gave the gist of history about the original the original start of the pow out dealing with the ladies' auxiliary f here in Sutina. Again, that's from my own perspective as an indigenous female as especially when you're like twelve and fifteen years old. Anyway, it is so smoky out. You can hear it in my voice. I've been indoors most of the week. I I went out a couple of days ago for about five hours and this is the result of it. again, this heat wave, approximately, well, average, I think it well I shouldn't say average, you can Google it, about twenty thousand people in Europe have died from heat exhaustion. Heat's, you know, just the heat. So apparently the targeted age is people over 70, which which I fall fall in that spectrum, so I have to really be cautious. And I've got like like all the air purifiers, air conditioning, humidifier. Right now I've got a pot of water boiling so that whatever smoke is in my home has humidity just so that I can breathe or not breathe in anything. And I opened up my patio door which oversees the Rockies and you can just smell the smoke. So be careful if you're in southern Alberta or any place where there you can smell the smoke. It's dangerous and the heat, like all week it's gonna be 30 above, which is like I think thirty-six or thirty-eight is a hundred Fahrenheit. So why am I doing a podcast and you know like again maybe I'm just so bored because I've been housebound because of this smoke. Marina Crane (02:26.964) I know, it's just like give me a break. I love the winter 'cause it there's no smoke and it's cool, fresh air. I mean, you know, people gotta sort of g have the mindset of like, why does she like winter? Now this whole stuff with forest fires, that just came out what in the past ten years. So it it's really it's really something to see, especially when the whole concept of groundwater and how brittle our trees are becoming because the majority of the people who drive cars live in urban areas and they have a magic wand that, you know, you just turn the magic wand and hot and cold water come out of it. So, you know, that's all they know in terms of relationship to where water comes from. Anyway, this past couple of days, even with my podcast, I've I've had people call me, just out of the blue about this whole lawsuit and and like even like I've noticed, you know, when something something newsworthy hits the social media platform, everybody like everybody who you know, just wants to get on there and get some notoriety and, you know, p think that they can publish or do something to, you know, get some little more followers in their social media platforms. And that's okay. I mean, you know, you're you're trying to spread the word of what's happening when really you don't know what what the grassroots people have been going through. And and even that too, like like sometimes for me, especially when it comes to gossip and people wanting to know my business, It isn't a sincere like how are you doing? there's nothing sincere about it because all they want is information. And and that's the same thing with social media. People, you know, don't really care about the content, they just care about making sure somebody's listening to them or they want to be seen or known as like the indigenous authority. So let me start off well a couple of weeks ago Marina Crane (04:52.21) a white friend of mine called and you know she's trying to take care of herself. She's divorcee. She has a thirty year old son, educated and we were talking 'cause you know, we've we've been friends since the pandemic. And she was making a comment on her cholesterol and she says, I eat everything. I eat vegetables, like I take care of everything. She says, but my cholesterol's skyrocketing. And I made a suggestion I said, Well, maybe stop drinking alcohol. I said, Maybe stop drinking for six months. Now, the thing about it is like and again too, I I don't like talking about the concept or the content of alcohol because everybody has their own opinion because people like to drink. But the reality of it is when you drink, that alcohol turns into sugar. Now if you like I've I've known people to say, Well, I'm gonna have something to drink, but I'm gonna talk to you on the phone so I'm not drinking alone. Okay, I I d I don't know, again, everybody everybody has a controversy when it comes to alcohol, again because people consume it. So studies show and again too, you know, I I've because I didn't grow up like seeing Like my father when he drank, he didn't drink in the house because it was illegal to even have alcohol in homes in First Nations, Inuit and Metis communities. So a lot of my friends who are white, they've that's how they've grown up. Now in the state of Utah, there's a high rate of alcoholism only because the there there's no they don't allow drinking. You know, you I think in the Wasat Utah Valley it's prohibited to sell alcohol. Whereas outside, like in Salt Lake City and the surrounding areas, they can buy alcohol everywhere. But the high rate of alcoholism is because the the Mormons, they they the children have never seen their parents drinking, so they don't know what alcohol does or how to handle it. So like that's why there's a high rate of alcoholism amongst the Mormons. Marina Crane (07:16.736) Even though people think, well that's goes against the word of wisdom. Yeah, but that's the stereotype. You gotta sort of look it over and say, Okay, poo poo it, put it aside. When I'm talking to my white friend, I said, Maybe just, you know, don't drink for six months. See what your c happens to your cholesterol. I said, Because your central nervous system and how your body reacts to things that you eat is like it's amazing. So apparently if you keep on drinking like s like what you deem as sociable for years and you stop drinking, it it doesn't take a month of detox 'cause of the brain, the brain's like the sponge of the brain. It takes a whole year for the the the cells and the brain the brain's chemistry to detox itself. I mean it's like anesthetic. You know, I I don't like taking anesthetic 'cause it stays in the human brain for six months. So a lot of these things in in the blood barrier walls within the brain and hemispheres, especially how the brain communicates with the rest of the body in terms of metabolizing food, for example. So that was a suggestion I made to her, not not to criticize her. I said, you know, it's it that could be if you've tried everything to maintain your cholesterol, try that. like You know, I because my father drank I always tried to figure out, you know, like what's the chemistry on that. So so apparently like when people drink so much, especially men, the the the the skin has has different layers of fat. And so when a man drinks a lot, that that extra s that extra fat starts developing underneath the the skin and they become more feminized. So again, you know, I'm just this is just my opinion, okay, because you know, I'm I'm saying the physiology and what we consume really has or evolves. It's one thing you can say, okay, my my mother carried me, you know, it's the woman. But it's another thing when you become an adult and you're living Marina Crane (09:41.133) your life, you know, the only person you have to blame is yourself. So, I guess for the men I'd say suck it up buttercup. You know, if you're have these feminine qualities checked to f see if you've been o like drinking way too much, that's your body chemistry is changing. Like even even like it's just feminizing the body just sort of converts to its original state because in every mammal for the two mont two weeks of life, everyone is female. So the psychology of it and how things sort of progress as we're outside of the mother's uterus and living. It's it's you know like we're we're we're we're mast basically mostly liquid and fluid. So you know how how we take care of ourselves and how we manage ourselves, especially with men having a shorter lifespan than women. but again too, what can you say, you know, y I have brothers and tr trying to have them take care of themselves is ridiculous like they just don't listen. So like I don't expect my male viewers to even, you know, give me two cents of their of time from from listening about my theories on alcohol. But One of the key things too with alcohol and drugs is like it's it's the umbrella or the how would I put the curtain. So a lot of times the human condition, the psyche or the psychology of human development is is masked with this c this curtain. So people can't see through the curtain because again, because of this facade of alcohol and drug abuse and this whole nighttime partying and stuff like that. And even Like all the the stuff that comes with it that that breaks up marriages and just does a lot of like a lot of damage. so yes, alcohol is poison. And but you know, for somebody who drinks and has drank most of their life by the time they're sixty five, you know, there it it does take a toll. I I've seen it Marina Crane (12:03.936) I've I've you know, I just like for example too, there's there's a lot of people who look older than me, even though they're maybe ten years younger than me. And and again too, I think it has to do with the central nervous system and how much stress you put on on yourself or or the environment puts on you. So anyway, that's the adult part of it. Most of the time When I've talked about Nathan Chasing horse, it's it's it's bo it's basically talking about child development. And for me when we have submissive men or men who want to be submissive because they I think they call it what is that word now? I I s I asked somebody I didn't what's pegging. The word is pegging. And and so Like I I didn't understand like it's it's a man isn't homosexual or bisexual when they desire pegging. It's they want to they want to experience submissive a submissive role in in the relationship and feel like sort of feel what a woman feels when she's in a submissive role when they're sexually active. And and so it it's not it's not a a indicator that somebody is homosexual or bisexual. It's it's just in the nature of of the biology of men. Again, you know, figure it out. One plus one is two. Where is the G spot? Where is it located and why is it there? So this is a perfectly natural thing or or or not the thing, it's a perfectly natural biological process that a lot of men are experiencing as they as they age because You know, when you start off and nobody's talking about healthy human sexuality, you experiment and or you see pornography or you you know, you go into the what do you call it, that Alice in Wonderland where the rabbit takes you into the hole into the this different world. And sometimes when you go down the rabbit hole it's really difficult to find your way back out. So, I for me as an elder, as a as an indigenous woman, Marina Crane (14:26.708) I'm I'm hoping that a lot of indigenous females who are younger realize like they're in the rabbit hole. And hopefully through listening to my podcast they can find their way out of that rabbit hole. But it but it has a lot to do with early childhood experiences and memory. And even the fact too, I think a lot of times as human beings we we see people's energy but we don't wanna see it. Like we sense it but we don't wanna sense it because We want to keep that person in in that state of status, whatever that status that person has shifted his identity into. So for example, when I went down to Las Vegas and I spoke with the followers of Nathan Chasinghorse, the ex followers, sorry, I gotta say that they broke away from his influence I what, fifteen years ago, like like like understand this. Nathan Chasing horse has been He's fifty. He's so he's been functioning ever since he was, what, maybe fifteen, sixteen, seventeen. because by the time I met him he was tr he was thirty. And and from my understanding is like his maybe even ten years prior when he was twenty, or even like just the the reality of of of what he was doing and recruiting children, You know, like w we'll say even like Ren Leone and Melissa, Melissa being the mother, when she when Melissa came here, she didn't bring Ren the first time. She just said that Nathan had said that Ren was a holy child and that he wanted to teach her all the rituals and ceremonies in a safe environment so she when she became a woman could be a medicine woman. again, grooming. Now I talked to one of the other women and she says again, Nathan had victimized her child. And she says, Well that how that's how he groomed my daughter. In ceremony, he hit her on the head with a rattle, scared the bejesus out of her. Somehow he be started becoming sexually aroused by these children being afraid of the spirits, like nightmares. And and so I relayed the fact that my y younger niece Marina Crane (16:49.292) Like there was Roberta and then her younger sister, so there was an age I think like an age difference of five years. So my my other niece had had told me when when they were in ceremony, Nathan would hit her on the head with a rattle and of course, you know, he's trying to scare her. But that kind of kind of grooming and recruitment in in seeing children when he comes into communities and latching on to the parent. So so with With Ren it was with her mother Melissa. For for Roberta and and my and her younger sister, it was my brother that he latched on to. And and in in Fort Peck, you know, there were older women who they he latched on so he could get closer to their grandsons. So there there's a whole there's a whole structure of of what he how he recruited people to to follow him. And to get to their children or grandchildren. Now a lot of people, especially women who were mothers or even, you know, sexually we're saying women who've already been sexually active, when they see Nathan it was more of like an attraction, what do they call infatuation. But then when when they started realizing there was something the matter, they couldn't leave him because that attraction, that infatuation was actually limerence, which which in itself has to deal you have to deal with a deep psychological attachment. Like like like I said, Nathan attached himself to parents and grandparents so he could get to their children, usually eight, nine, ten year olds. And and and and if there were older siblings like like my niece Roberta, then that's who he would exploit. So so he tried to get hims his foothold into families this way. And and the majority of people that I have met did did see something queer about it and and did put their foot down and say, No, I don't want him to come and come into my home anymore. And and others just accepted it and said, Okay, teach me. And you know, whatever they did and I can't speak for women. Marina Crane (19:11.958) I can only speak for my brother, he served time for for the ch you know, what he chose to do with wi i with with Nathan. Now I don't know other First Nations communities and but no doubt there were so many other men and women that he that he latched on to just so he could exploit their children. a lot I think the underbelly of it all is that, you know, when he trafficked teenagers. That that was another way of just, you know, getting money for his own addictions. So in Indian country, especially in Western Canada, when you have the Calgary Stampede and the history of indigenous women being trafficked, even Sakajawea or Pocahontas, you know, all these women who've been trafficked, you know, it's amazing that white men or men in terms of not indigenous to the Americas are really interested and attracted to indigenous women. what, for sexual pleasure, sexual curiosity, you know, just like, I put a feather in my hat, I slept with an indigenous girl. I I don't know what for what reason. But but I've been there. I'm not saying I'm innocent. I've been there. I mean the fact too is like when I when I've talked to some Sutina women you know like couple of decades ago and I was talking about my like who I was sexually active with, one of the young women says, What? You were with who? Like the whole notion of an indigenous woman being with a with a a man other than indigenous sometimes shocks people. And but but again too, it's the nature of systemic racism. You know, the curiosity of what it must be like. I mean It's the whole phenomena too with with people chasing after different different nationalities, like like people chasing after athletic black men or you know, women chasing after in athletic indigenous men. I mean cowboys and Indians. I mean some of the our Indian cowboys were just so gorgeous. Ugh been there, done that. What can I say? I howled at the moon when I was younger. However, that being said, I Marina Crane (21:39.789) had no education in human sexuality in terms of what I know now as an elder and in terms of what I know in in the sense of what it is to be a victim. And also too more so in in in denial that some someone hurts you. because like I I I thought I was living a balanced life. Didn't realize like there was a hidden agenda subconscious fear or something. I don't know. what it was, but but until I went to court and actually faced my perpetrator, like the unconsciousness or the we'll call the c my central nervous system, it it sort of kicked in, you know, like I'm like I realized like I wasn't afraid anymore. And why was I afraid? I wasn't working in Sutina, so why would I be afraid to say anything? But yet again there's that policy, you know, established You know, I was twenty five. No no woman f fifty five years and younger who was single and had no children could apply for housing. So again, that's s misogyny, but yet single men with no children could get a house. So this colonial way of thinking and deconstructing oppression or hatred towards women is all built on on this act called the Indian Act, which is very discriminatory. It's so discriminatory that even the police and people that aren't First Nations, if they start swearing and calling us down you wagon burner, whatever. I mean I grew up like a kid hearing that my entire life. But then when you hear it from somebody who says, I want to bury you, you wanna be six feet underground with the your ancestors from Indian residential school hate, hate like that. The police won't do nothing. But yet if if that were the case for an immigrant who had who was being religiously persecuted, then it's a hate crime and it will go to court. So under the Indian Act, it's okay for people to think this way, because it's part of the whole network of of the Indian agent and the federal the provin the federal government. So a lot of a lot of provincial people, a lot of politicians will just scapegoat and s and pass the buck. Marina Crane (24:04.946) no, it's a federal responsibility. Like like all this forest fires. Now, you know, the priv premiers of the provinces are saying it's a federal responsibility. You know, really it's been like that for forever. So it it's not gonna end. However, I do think when it comes to human development and and just what's out there, that that I do think non indigenous people really need to look at their own psychology. Look at their own childhood childhood upbringing. You know, I it's amazing too just how people in positions of power like judges, lawyers, mayors, premiers, presidents, like get away with so much child abuse, like Epstein files, just the the trafficking of children. And and yet the majority of white people, Europeans, will project all that all that onto minorities like indigenous people. without them really like taking a really good look at their own culture, their own environment. So when I say like Nathan Chasey Morris was was already recruiting and grooming people so he could have connection or close contact with children. that that's like I said, by the time he was thirty and I'd met him he was already he had already been grooming teenagers. Now, this whole concept of grooming too, like it's like I said, even even when in the seventies when I was in Utah and I saw these doctors, lawyers, Indian chiefs of in the National Congress of American Indians, and how they were exploiting these young women who were volunteering. And again, I'll say exploiting because, you know, I you know, again, you know, if a person's promiscuous, it's not up to me to t say thou shalt not. But apparently a lot of Republicans today are trying to put a lot of restrictions on the rights of of women and the rights to how they choose to live and to have a say over their own body. So like I say, even in during the Calgary Stampede there's an influx of divorces, influx of human trafficking, d what else, marriage breakups. Marina Crane (26:31.0) high high rate of sexually transmitted diseases rises, a high rate of abortions. So like again, everybody's being human. This is this is a human condition. But for me, part of the podcast and my wanting to talk about sexual abuse, especially consent with children, teenagers, young adults, and the whole process of brain development, we're we're also looking at people on the spectrum. and and we're looking at people who are FASE like we're we're looking at a at a at a population. Now the reality is like I like I said in the sixties, seventies, I was I was young. But I also saw how people were before alcohol and drugs. I also know too like that hundreds of years ago, like I think a hundred years in England, they all drank beer because of the shortage of water. Okay, now is that an excuse now for people to be drinking? What? BC banned all of the alcohol coming in from the United States? You know, I go into Las Vegas and there's alcohol everywhere. I in the state of Utah, they in the what do they call it, Utah Valley, alcohol is restricted. But in you know, but in the United States they have alcohol everywhere. Whereas in Canada it's not like that. We still we yes, we have our problems with alcohol and drugs. Why would Premier Danielle Smith want eleven recovery centers so she could privatize health care? What the hell? Has it worked in the United States? No. So again, look at all these forest fires. You know, this has to do with water, the consumption of of the oil sands and even those data centers like draining the water. Now, th i there should be a wake up call 'cause there's El Nino and like what, twenty thousand Europeans have died since June from heat exha from the heat. and it's not gonna get any better. This is the reality check. You know, there's eight billion people in this world. how how do we thin the population? Well, you just keep doing what you're doing, keep driving your cars and keep exploiting poor people and and you know, just Marina Crane (28:59.256) keep on thinking you have a privil you have a privileged life to do and act the way you want, without any consequences of who you're hurting. So again that again patriarchy. You you have to understand too, even in England, like for that one hundred years of them just drinking beer and ale because there was no water, no clean water, like they they they they were not that clean. Understand that, 'cause when they came into the Americas And that those millions of indigenous people that were killed because of the diseases brought in from your the you know, Europe and all anyway. What can I say? It it's it's a problem that a society that deems themselves so religious, so Puritan, when when they have had generations, at least two hundred years before before alcohol was even introduced to indigenous people in the Americas. Understand though, there's one generation earlier in the United States, in Canada it was just in the sixties. That's not long ago. So so a lot of the the rhetoric or like, the only good Indian is a drunk Indian, that's that that what do they say the only good British person is a drunk British person? You know, because, you know, for a hundred years that's all they did was drink alcohol. So imagine how many generations of FAS children were were were born. Not just in England, but you you see it in Renaissance paintings, these people with distorted facial features because of FASE. And some people don't have those distorted features. And that's why when I talk about people not having critical thinking skills, i it's not it's not their fault because people didn't realize what alcohol does to unborn like the a fetus growing in a woman's body or even or even the semen in men too. So a lot of and again as we're aging brain development and the erosion of the capacity to have and maintain memory and boundaries, yet with the onset of Alzheimer's and dementia. So you know all these things are all connected to our our our sexuality and how we function amongst each other. Marina Crane (31:24.544) and and how we develop our critical c thinking skills in what is appropriate or inappropriate behavior. So like I said, whatever problem was just a diagnosis and I I can't do that because I I I'm not trained that way, but I do know I do know that something like Nathan Chasinghorse was born this way. And however he recruited people, those people too had to have ha already had some sort of trauma or had some sort of learning disability or some reasoning why they couldn't actually see him for who he was. At the same time, the children and the teenagers that he recruited, like he had total control over people who were in that circle with their children. So for me it it would be interesting to document exactly like how they debriefed these children that he had control over in in Las Vegas. I mean even the fact that you try to talk to people or explain this to people, it took twenty years before Ren Leon wrote her social media post. Like, you know, I mean I got an email this a couple of weeks ago a couple of days ago in this woman's talking about, you know, sexual some a sexual assault. And and I'm going, you're you're not the victim. You know, in my blog the I I've always been clear that that if if you've been sexually assaulted, it's up to you to to do the work. It's not up to you to get a friend to do it for you. It's not up to you to fabricate things because you haven't you don't have the skill set to counsel a woman who's actually been sexually assaulted. It's the per the victim who is the sexual assault victim that needs to do the work and find the courage to process it. That's why when this young woman from Sutana came text me, I gave her as much information about what I went through and what she needed to do to protect her legal rights in exactly how Nathan Chasing Horse exploited her. And she did, bless her heart, she did. And the fact that there's no compensation for her in victim services is appalling. You know, it's appalling that that for decades leadership was was cowering or not cowering, yeah, cowering before Nathan Chasing horse. Marina Crane (33:50.955) Again, you know, he liked instilling fear in people. Abercadabra hit that rattle over somebody's head and they but Jesus scared out of them and they want to do better, like cancer scares. I mean I think the majority of times he really manipulated people into believing they had cancer or if they had cancer like that that something bad was going to happen. So so again, how how much how much fear based decisions are made based on, you know, how afraid we are of things. You know, it it's like for me, like I I started off with this whole smoke situation. Yeah, I'm scared to go out. This voice I have right now is a result of being outside for five hours two days ago. if I go out I could probably have I probably die 'cause the pollution is so bad. And you know, that's the reality. That's that's a fact. But again too I like it it bothers me in a sense that like I'm I'm sitting here by myself and I'm thinking, How how like how diabolical I mean it it it's one thing that, you know, I share my story and then when I meet other people who are more closely attached to Nathan, like like I mean, I only I was only associated with him for a couple of months. But but these other people had been associated with him with him since one since she was fourteen, the other when she was three years old, one seven years old. Like, you know, they're you like h like years and years of being around him. I I I you know to me for me I'm just grateful that that Whatever and however I could help. Just just in saying that if you're a victim, it's up to you to do it. You you know, you can't rely on anybody else but yourself to do it. Because people have a tendency to exaggerate. Like I'm not saying the lady who who dropped the email on my YouTube is exaggerating. I I'm just saying that all all that these assumptions she's made can be ripped apart by a a good lawyer. Marina Crane (36:14.049) And and that's why I caution people, you know, if you're the victim, not the victim's friend, or even like like like I I I just women I just hope women are are able to help other women instead of doing more harm to women because of just your assumptions. like ask questions. You know, just come out and ask questions so you don't have assumptions of somebody because because you're just assuming like that's that's not fair to the victim or the perpetrator. because again, you know the The underbelly I guess this is what I'm trying to say, is that the underbelly of Nathan Chasing Horse is far more dangerous than I ever ever could have imagined. I you know, it was one thing to know that he was grooming teenagers, like spending over a thousand dollars on my my niece. like like spending money, like making sure those two girls that he went with, like he you know, he had you know, rich people, like Epstein had his own little entourage. Well the same with Nathan Chase Moores. They they have not like like they just dealt with the bare necessities with this this guy. They didn't charge him with embezzlement, racketeering, or tax evasion. They didn't charge him at with the FBI at a federal level. So understand that. This is so serious, but they didn't charge him with all that. And all those federal charges All that other stuff embezzled rocketeering and tax evasion. Who helped him? They're not charging those people either. They just focused on him to get him life. And so he's serving life. Under the guise of like sexual exploitation of teenagers. They're not even touching the the base of him grooming children as young as ten years old or or the the network of of trafficking. Marina Crane (38:28.899) like private trafficking with leadership, leaderships throughout Indian country, or even the perversion of men who have an attitude towards women, and you know, Nathan being right there just giggling away cheekily. You know, that's that's th there's a difference. There is a huge difference. Like in my community, we've had different men who've had like over ten children, different women having, you know, children. And again, you know, it's a woman's choice and a man's choice. They don't need to be married, they just have children. So what it why am I what am I getting at? Okay. from my own experience, my own personal opinion, knowing in men in general, if you take two men, both have ten children, both have, you know, like like they're they're they're married. But they have extramantal marital affairs and they have children. What is the difference? Well, you know, the one acknowledges his children and, you know, will do everything to help out. not having any legal like he'll maybe his wages are garnished because he's not paying child support, even though he's not married to the mother. but in most cases, you know, like that's the relationship or the agreement he like this man has with these the different women he's had children with. Now let's just say you see it that way, but the under underbelly of it all is one of these men is a s you know ha has a propensity for control and has become a serial rapist. Even though he's got all these children and all these women, he's a serial rapist. and and hates women. And women just flock to him because he hates women. He th the what I I believe h they love the way he treats them. Whereas the other man who he's he's not a rapist, he has all these children as well. and he he's there for his children and he's there for the women who had his children. But he's not a sexual deviant. He hasn't raped any anybody, any woman, any child, nobody. Marina Crane (40:54.893) So again, like I'm saying, I've seen it. I you know, I try to explain to people, you know, how how are people accountable for their children? Do they pay child support? How are they accountable to to the children's mothers? Are they are they have a relationship with them? All that comes into play, especially when you live in a community where everybody knows each other. So So when somebody is trying to say, leadership is doing this and that, I'm going, they're adults. That's a decision they're making. You know, if they choose to have different sexual partners and children, that's their business. But the problem is if there's something deviant, if they have propensity for children, or they have a propensity for teenagers, or even just wanting to control women and become serial rapists, then that's a big issue. So you gotta understand why they cr why society or why they themselves became this way. Why the why they became so dangerous. So so that's why when I talk about what happens when people come become dangerous to themselves and others, it it's important because in in one hand you have men who become serial rapists, and then you have you have women who also are perpetrators against children. So see that's the whole the whole gist of it is that is that if if both parties do not try to heal, they will become perpetrators. And the the vast majority of people who do this have this history within relationships with the the people they've had children with or just relationships with other men or other women. So it becomes really entrenched, this lateral violence, this control, this gaslighting, all all this this need for for dominance is is played out in their behavior. So that's why for me, you know, I I'm I'm old enough that I I just don't care anymore. I just don't care if people think I'm a pedophile or they think I've raped boys or teenagers or if I've chased after Nathan Chasing horse. Marina Crane (43:17.313) sending him love emails that I've like if I've hunted him down at every powwow, that I've saved money to go see him being sentenced, bless his heart. You know, really everything and anything despicable and depri with depri being deprived has been projected onto me. So, know My podcast and what I do and how I say things, you know, i is not isn't I'm not excusing people for thinking bad about me. That's just their human nature. That's why I say they're a danger to themselves and others, because they don't have the capacity to realize like this is their behavior. This is this is how they're going to live the rest of their lives. And and again, you know, I hear a comment, some people shouldn't be mothers. I I I know an elder woman, you know, I mean, you know, women as women, women can be really bad women, like bad spouses, bad mums. But there's always this hope that, you know, like, okay, I'm not gonna hit my child, I'm not gonna abuse my child, I'm not you know, I'm gonna help my child thrive. But at the same time too, you're giving the child permission to make mistakes. Some some people just don't want their child to make mistakes or when they make when the child makes mistakes, they don't realize like the the child has like capability of doing much worse and probably has and and been caught this one time when maybe seven other times they haven't been caught. So this elder woman, I was driving with my my late mother and I saw this car in front of us swerving. This was in the city, swerving and And the car swerved off to the to the onto the onto the walkway and then swerved back onto the highway and then back and forth. And I thought, this person must be intoxicated. So I was weary. I drove cautiously around the car as to avoid being hit. And I looked in and I saw this elderly woman. And and what she was doing, she was punching her daughter in the face, in her f in her daughter's face. Marina Crane (45:41.358) while she was driving. And and this daughter, I think she's passed away now. But this daughter has a daughter who is very, very like mi like she's an activist, but in in in you know like she doesn't care. She you know she's she has followers, social media, and yet so bitter and vindictive and hateful to people. in my community I just have to say her name and already there's a chill that goes down people's spines. Like like stuff like that. I you know, I'm I'm just grateful that when I do talk to s certain Sutina people, especially men, that that they're being quite open and honest about how they see other people. And like I said, I a lot a large amount of time I don't really know like the children under the age of twenty. And like I said to this group, I said somebody adopt me so at least you'll know who I am jokingly, of course. But I I I just wanted to put it out there that with all this controversy with the lawsuit with the recovery center, with just people h hurting wanting to hurt people, people wanting to have their voice and and in some ways maybe people see me this way in my podcast, but that's not the intention of why I do what I do. I I I do talk about my life and and I try to say, well this is what I learned. And and even trying to just help other people. I mean like I I have a my my uncle's granddaughter She's she's she's she's a mum, her I think her son is seventeen. is in a very violent relationship. Th the thing though is that she's the one who beats up her partner, not not the other way around. So again, why do why do couples do that? Why why do they have so much why do they want to have so much control and such a need to be turned on by hurting their partner? Marina Crane (48:04.867) that to me, like the the addiction to inflict pain on somebody for for I don't know, sexual gratification. So you know all this all this I think i has to like I I've never wanted to be a social worker or th or a therapist because I think what's seventy percent of the clients are having to do with marriage counselling. So, you know, no no no. That's not I I've never wanted to do that and I hope my podcast isn't about that. It it's just about different ways of healing and different ways of knowing things and for for people to understand like we're so diverse as indigenous people. Like one Sutina isn't the same as Sixica. We're not the same as the Stonies or the Cree. You know, we're we're a unique community. And and it's the same way too with other different fractions within the United States. We've all grown up in different environments and sometimes we have a common cause, especially when you have billionaires or millionaires spending money to promote to promote their own their own ideology, their own religion, all for the sake of conversion and and making you know having control over another person or having themselves feel like like they're Puritans and like their beliefs are are the most valuable and the unique and that they really need to do the Christian thing when really who who are they hurting? You know, they they need to self reflect and look at their own homes. That's why for me, when I made a comment to my white friend about, you know, to stop drinking for six months to see if that helps in pr improving her cholesterol. But, you know, if she's upset at me What can you s what can I say? You know, a lot of things people don't want to hear because they'd sooner look at me as an indigenous woman and say, Well, no, you have problems. We all have problems. But I you know, s we were having a conversation. This is what developed. But it's like that with every human being. I mean, I I do that all the time. I'm not perfect. Far from it. Marina Crane (50:30.637) Most likely the lady who wrote the email is so upset at me. Again, I don't even know her, okay? It's just my h my how I think and how I process things. Because, you know, life is life is there's so many people who who who just wanna hurt people. And the majority of times when you have white supremacists who are who are stuffing their pockets with indigenous money, especially the most vulnerable women and children. It's it's upsetting. And and even I forget I was talking to a friend of mine, I said, Yeah, those twenty seven pages that the accountant had, the money trail of monies that were coming in, like when you when you talk about the the signing of the contract for thirty five million, a hundred mil a hundred thousand coming in prior, like all this stuff there's there's a paper trail. And and my friend did say, well Marina, the Globe and Mail wouldn't wouldn't publish it unless they had their lawyers and even with the Fifth Estate too when they did the documentary, they had lawyers. So everything and anything they did was all legal. That's why when I get a email when I get a not an email but a comment on my YouTube about leadership, I'm going, Whoa, wait a minute. You know, wait a minute, hold on here. You know, you you it's like again, you know, like my my aunt talks about treaty and yet, you know, where's her war chest? You know, she's fighting against the old monarchy, against thousands of they have so much money to have lawyers, especially when it comes to our treaty rights. You know, and again, you know, people are welcome to criticize and say whatever they want to say they if they wanna be if they wanna be slanderous, they can do that. But but really, you know, it it it boggles my mind that in today's generation that people can just blatantly put stuff on my YouTube channel, not realizing that if people wanted to sue like to find out who is slandering so and so 'cause she was quite literally naming names, that that anybody, you know, could trace her Marina Crane (52:55.289) her her her web address. Like it's technology is so much different when from from the seventies. Okay, and and even the literacy, like the computer literacy, is so far more sophisticated. Why the hell do you think they're building data centers all over the damn place? Anyway, I hope you look after yourself. It's like I said, I can't even s I can barely see the trees across the road here. And like I I'm boiling water just to get humidity in my house. I've got my air purifier on. I'm not putting my air conditioner on until it gets in the thirties, but other than that, I just wanted to I get I I wanted people to have some insight. But when you start calling people pedophiles or rapists. You really have to understand that if you're just looking at the surface, like if there these people are in their forties or fifties, do you have the capacity to understand that that where they started would have been when they were teenagers? That's why that's why when when you grow up with people, you grow up with them from childhood throughout your whole life. You you you you you're around them. You you know you know how they've behaved your whole life. And and that's why like when I started to understand Nathan Chase and horse, 'cause he's he's Sioux. There's a certain way Sioux people are raised. And and to know that he ran away and that nobody in his community even could, you know, observe his behavior. Like I said, I ha I ha I You know, I've got there are are men here who passed away who've had more than ten children. You know, one was a serial rapist and other one wasn't. But again, the behavior had to have started someplace, and it usually started when they were teenagers. And and again, for me as an elder, when I when I do walk around in my community and I have men who are my age who greet me with respect, that tell that sh that tells me a lot. Marina Crane (55:21.111) And then you have young men who look at me like, Who the hell do you think you are? That also tells me a lot. So, I just wanted to put it out there that, you know, if you if you think it's easy to prosecute somebody who allegedly has sexually assaulted anybody, you have to really have everything in place. You have to really fight like that's why like For me I didn't understand it. I I I had a support group. I didn't know how long my fight was gonna take. I I didn't know who was gonna be my supporters. Didn't know all that. I just knew I had to do it. But but that's the point that I'm getting at is that i when you're up against powerful people who are protecting their their their their brother, their nephew, their cousin, whoever, or even their dad. You you you know, like that's who you're facing. That's who that's who's gonna have resentment towards you forever. I mean forever. You know, because they're so angry that their their relative is has has this behavior. That's why I'm talking about there there there's a certain acceptance of what peop how people behave when it comes to healthy human sexuality. But when you when you when you try to put blame onto victims, you're you're not really looking at your the whole spectrum within your own life, your own family, your own community, and and the influence that that a perpetrator has had within that structure. So again, you know, it's it's one thing to stand up and and and advocate for justice but it's another thing to actually go through the whole process of getting somebody behind bars to get to get somebody for the the legal system to say yes they've hurt people. It's it's a lot harder than just gossip or merely writing a nasty email or putting it out on Facebook someplace. Like like understand, I I know some people have been struggling to prosecute certain people for decades. But it's not even them who are victims. Marina Crane (57:48.186) They're doing this because of of hearsay. And to me, that is an issue. For me, my advocacy has always just been for myself. You may think that I'm selfish, but for me when I say to to survivors, you have to find the courage yourself to do it. And you have to have a support system. Now I was very fortunate that that Sierra and and Lynette that I met them and gave them star blankets because Lynette's Lynette's father or I'm sorry, Lynette's daughter needed her support. And so even that, having to spread out like to also get all those other people supporting them, it was it it was an effort, like fourteen years. Like I'm saying, this isn't an easy thing that that you do when you're trying to get justice for yourself. But but you have to own it and you have to stand and you have to have courage to do it. This this whole I think lateral violence of women taking up the cause because of hearsay, or they've seen the woman go into a hotel room with so and so. You know, I'm going, no, you have to talk to the individual. You have to do something. You can't just a s have assumptions that you know that this must have happened. unless you actually unless the victim, alleged victim, actually wants to do something. Then then if she approaches you and says, Can you support me? Then you can step in. But for for individuals to just go and write stuff on Facebook or put it on my YouTube comments, I'm going, my goodness. Like be an adult. Grow grow some cojones. I I've met so many indigenous, strong indigenous women, like, you know, really the the amount the amount the tenacity of indigenous women to seek justice is overwhelming. And and I you know I just really am grateful that I have this network of friends from across Canada that that you know I've I've managed to maintain friends with and have worked hard in establishing that. Marina Crane (01:00:15.695) But I'm grateful too that if people out there who listen to my podcast or have commented to me or have met me and and still remain my friends, then then that's good. Like 'cause I can't ask for anything anymore. And the reality of it is because it's a cultural cultural because of my culture, no matter how much a white person wants to even have an inkling of what it's like. You you cannot do that if you are gonna come in there as a therapist or a social worker or someone who has this preconceived notion of of helping indigenous people because you you really have to be able to take the criticism also. It and when that ha when that challenge isn't met, then you know, that's that's not my problem. Because, you know, like when it's my time to leave this earth, I will have I will have met and I and and there would be and there'll be people who I've known for dec decades and decades. So whatever I can do to help encourage both boys and girls, young men and young women who have been victims of sexual violence to come forward. I I I'm just saying it's not easy. i i it's it's something that you'll struggle with and that memory it will always be with you and how you handle it and how you carry it and how you use it to help other people is important because it's it's fear based and and to find the courage to to face your fear is the the greatest blessing that you can give to yourself. So that being said, if I've hurt anybody's feelings because of the way I say and try to put boundaries down about how I see a victim or how people don't want to listen and try to twist my words around. That comes with the territory of having a narrative. That comes with anything when you have a voice. Have a good day and probably we'll create another podcast tomorrow 'cause Marina Crane (01:02:40.163) What else can I do? I'm just staying home, trying to survive and not get sick and a heart attack or whatever. But my goodness, stay safe, stay alive and try to enjoy yourself even if you have to stay indoors because of this heat and smoke.