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Sunday, 23 August 2026

Reclaiming cultural practice and empowering young women

Here’s a clear, grounded summary of your document, drawn directly from the text you shared. I’m keeping it structured so you can use it however you need — for reflection, future podcast planning, or archiving. Summary of Your Recording (Marina 47) (With brief supporting quotes from the document as required) 1. Opening Context: Smoke, place, and gratitude You begin by describing the morning in Tsuu T’ina, the smoke over the Rockies, and thanking your international listeners. “I appreciate that you're curious about what it's like to be an Indigenous elder woman living in Canada and experience systemic racism.” 2. Sovereignty, Bill S‑63/S‑62, and child & family services You discuss upcoming legislative changes that may finally give Indigenous nations sovereignty over child and family services. You emphasize how lack of sovereignty has prevented victims from holding leadership accountable. “If we had sovereignty, she could sue the leadership for not protecting her.” 3. Pretendians, shame, and colonial grooming A major theme is Indigenous people who deny their identity due to internalized racism, colonial pressure, or mixed‑blood shame. You describe how this plays out in your own community, including relatives who passed as white or Mexican. “People who are ashamed to be Indigenous… pretend that they are spiritual or ritualistic people when obviously they’re not.” 4. Rite of Passage ceremonies for girls You explore the revival of traditional ceremonies, referencing the Brave Heart Women’s Society and Ishnáthi. You highlight the importance of women teaching girls, voluntary participation, and non‑commodified ceremony. “From the very beginning you need to put up your own teepee… you need to have that strength to house yourself.” You contrast this with colonial expectations of being paid for ceremony or relying on chief and council funding. 5. The Indian Act, systemic racism, and human trafficking You explain how the Indian Act historically categorized Indigenous people by skin tone, shaping who was groomed for servitude or exploitation. You connect this to modern trafficking risks. “The darker you are… kitchen help or farmhands. The lighter skin you are… groomed for prostitution.” You also describe a sting operation in your community: “In that time period over five thousand men hit that site because they thought they could buy a 15‑year‑old Indigenous girl.” 6. Coercive control, cult dynamics, and Nathan Chasing Horse You return to the theme of coercive control — in cults, relationships, and leadership. You describe how Chasing Horse thrived for 20 years due to leadership enabling him and failing victims. “Leadership controlled… the very fact that his followers needed to find financial help and they got it. Yet the actual victim… was never compensated.” 7. Sexuality, recovery, intimacy, and psychological wounds You weave in several audio clips about pornography, hypersexuality, affairs, and recovery. You relate these to Indigenous experiences of shame, trauma, and healing. “Freedom means the mental obsessions no longer run your life.” 8. Pain, medicine women, and spiritual experiences You share powerful personal stories: Your grandmother’s spirit lifting during ceremony Your own high pain tolerance The disrespect shown by a doctor who removed your nail without anesthetic “As long as that woman sang, my mother’s body was hovering over her bed.” 9. Revitalization of ceremony vs. misuse of spirituality You describe relatives who revived Sundance and sweats, but also those who misused spirituality for manipulation — including an uncle who convinced a young woman he could “fly.” “This is the whole problem… she obviously thought we were spiritual… and he convinced her he was this spiritual superman.” 10. History of Métis, Treaty 7, and Alberta’s formation You explain the role of Métis people in establishing Alberta, the fur trade, and intermarriage with Tsuu T’ina. “That’s how… we could exchange dried goods for material goods so settlers could survive.” 11. Genocide, disease, and demographic loss You describe the massive loss of Indigenous children due to disease and violence. “One hundred and twenty‑five million approximately… children were killed over a span of one hundred years.” 12. Your life story, education, travel, and mission You share your experiences: Seeing your first white person at age 5 Working in Fort McKay Choosing to care for your mother instead of working abroad Jogging and biking long distances Learning medicine, diabetes, and health Letting go of relationships and friendships “Whatever mission we have in our lives… whoever we bump into that’s an invisible helping hand… it’s important.” 13. Spiritual visions and global politics You recount seeing a mirage city on a hill as a child and connect it to Reagan’s metaphor. You reflect on global events like JFK’s assassination and your parents’ travels. “We saw this huge city of skyscrapers… it looked like a mirage.” 14. Empowerment, healing, and supporting victims You end with a deeply emotional reflection on supporting Sierra and Lynette during Chasing Horse’s sentencing, and the importance of young women speaking their truth. “It was so… even right now I’m crying about it… because it’s important.”
Marina Crane (00:01.518) Hello, good morning. August twenty-third from Soutina off in the city limits of Calgary Alberta, Canada. And as I look into the Rockies in the west, there is still smoke. This morning I woke up, I could see the mountains, white snow caps, but I s the smell of burnt wood was in the air. And now I can hardly see the Rockies. And that's been what only two three hours. So what are my topics today? Well first I'd like to say and thank all the people who listen from the United States, Hong Kong, France, U Pakistan or Bakistan or no Bangladesh, Brazil, Mexico, Spain, South Africa and Vietnam. Thank you for listening. I appreciate I appreciate that you're curious about what it's like to be an Indigenous elder woman living in Canada and experience systemic racism. So I just got off the phone with my cousin and again too, a lot of the things that I try to do in the my podcast is once I have a fresh dialogue of a debate or some discussion that I've had, I'd like to post it. And a lot of things that have happened and that are happening in Indigenous communities, especially when it comes to changing parts of the laws that are governed by by the government of Canada through the the Indian Act, like like there's a there is an act that's in the Parliament, I think it's called Bill S six three or six two, which is going to give sovereignty to our to Indigenous people. sovereignty rights over our child and family services. So what what is the big deal on that? Okay, so most of my podcast is talking about Nathan Chasinghorse and how he thrived for twenty years in my community. And the reality too is like in my last podcast yesterday I was talking about, you know, one of our nation members who can pass for a white woman is denying that she even has indigenous blood, even though her her brother Marina Crane (02:25.381) has been a former chief. I understand this too, this former chief, even in high school, would deny he had indigenous blood and he c he told white people that he was Mexican. And his father had this nickname, we we used to call him Coverboy because he used to have makeup, female makeup in Canada you have or in the United States you have a cosmetic makeup called Cover Girl. And he used to wear this to make his skin look whiter, much like how Trump y does his his facial tans and stuff to make himself appear, you know, again it's all performative. And A lot of times too when I talk about pretendians, I'm not just talking about people who are claiming they have indigenous blood that goes back maybe four generations ago. I'm talking about pretendians who are actually living and breathing in in indigenous First Nations or any way communities who are ashamed to be indigenous. And I and I talk about my first cousins whose fathers are white and I talk about people whose fathers are white who are social activists, which it which you know have said like, my father is racist, he'll be racist on the day he dies. Well it's the same thing too with a lot of indigenous people who grew up being ashamed, fet feeling guilty or like systemic racism, you know, the pressure to to give up and just deny their Indianess and so that's why when I talk about the Tuscany black airmen pilots of World War II and just the tenacity and the the willpower to become a pilot and just the narrative and the story like for four years and the 30,000 black men who applied and the 15,000 who became airmen. Marina Crane (04:20.928) It's an amazing story and I use that as an analogy for Indigenous youth in Canada as as artists were going through a renaissance. And even though it may trouble a lot of people of what's happening in the United States with their President Trump, the reality of it is that the the the deep we'll call it stream of life, the the like like it's like a volcano or lava coming up from the earth. there there is there there is activity and and the thing is like like just the tenacity to know that you've got a mission in life just does so much for for in individuals throughout history. So I I I've seen that with with indigenous people, young people. Mind you, as I'm growing up, it wasn't as obvious because we didn't have social media. Now why am I bringing up Nathan Chasing horse? Well, there's been a trend going on about right like rite of passage. There's rite of passage for for indigenous girls and just the whole r grooming of it. And and and I I want I'm gonna play this, but I want you also to to understand this that w and I use the example again when when Twenty years ago, when Nathan Chasinghorse started started, we'll say like he's like a vampire coming into a community and drinking blood and and and making more vampires. When when he came in and he started sexually assaulting girls, there was one girl who was 14 when she met him, and he took her three times, sexually assaulted her. Right from the get go, she she tried to make the authorities aware of what he was capable of. And she wasn't she never joined his cult. She never was promised to be one of his wives. He didn't try grooming her. He he you know, she just stood her ground and wanted justice. Now I say in the in hindsight, like our former chief enabled Nathan to thrive here by paying the rent of the followers that were in his cult for 20 years, even promoting fundraising and stuff or Marina Crane (06:44.108) people giving donating money to Nathan Chasinghorse every month like like the Mormons do in tithing. Now what is why all this? Why am I talking about this? Well because if we had sovereignty over our child and family, this young woman, the one who he initially targeted, when she like she's never gonna see her day in court, but she did appear on the Fifth Estate two years ago and she had to get a court release so she could tell her story. Was never a cult follower, didn't drink the Kool-Aid. She knew he had sexually assaulted her. He had taken video pictures of her. All this was documented. All this she submitted to the tr to the police. And by 2015 was banished from Soutina. Now, all this is happening like in 2007, 2006. Now, even to this day, leadership still is helping the followers that were involved in his cult. And again, too, my whole thing is because we don't have sovereignty. So what does it all have to do? Well when people are elected into council, and again this is a colonial state. Okay, this isn't a sovereign state, it's a colonial state, that they swear to protect the most vulnerable, that's women and children. However, they fail to do that with this one victim. And I'll her name is Nikki. If if if we had sovereignty, she could sue the leadership for not protecting her. But we don't have sovereignty, and we we won't we won't until this part of the Indian Act is changed, coming up hopefully this year or by next year. And and that will give us the right to have sovereignty over our children. Now, when leadership takes over this responsibility and something like this happens where the the local leadership enable a predator to thrive in our communities at the expense of a victim like Nikki, she I believe will have. Marina Crane (08:47.296) Every opportunity to sue leadership for not protecting her. Okay, again, that's a that's a a narrative. That's my opinion, that's what I think sovereignty is all about. And and for that reason too, a lot of the things that are happening and have been happening in terms of pretendience, and these are people who have never been raised in the cultural ways, either because one of their parents are white, or they've been ashamed to be indigenous, and in order to hide that. That shame they they pretend that they they are spiritual or ritualistic people when obviously they're not. And we we'll use an example of the rite of passage for girls. it's a program that like it's part of the white buffalo calf woman's process of the seven rituals that she handed down to the seven council fires of the Sioux Nation. Now they're trying to revive a lot of this stuff, and one of my cousins said they they had the ceremony in her community. However the you know, just the people who attended and who they sponsored and how money was was given, even though she didn't want to sponsor them, the the because leadership enabled this program to happen. I said, well they're doing this because they don't have sovereignty and if something happens with the presenters, if the presenter it becomes a predator and you know and the child is hurt in such a rite of passage ceremony, the the child and the family can sue the organizers or can su sue the leadership for for not protecting them. Now that's that's going to be something new to see, something positive well I shouldn't say it's it's it's a theory, it's my opinion. But but again too, you know we we don't even have right now we don't even have the right to have emergency shelters for our children or group homes for our children in our communities and I'm saying Marina Crane (10:50.542) First Nations anyway in Metis, because a lot of the money that comes into child and family comes in from the federal government to the province, and the province has policy with within First Nations. And so when children are apprehended, they're immediately bust off or s or schooled off to the cities, to the air urban areas. And of course, yes, they've tried relatives to foster and there's been abuse cases with that as well. But it's all stemming from this whole Indian act of like how Indigenous people are so weak minded that we can't look after our own children, or that we're so weak minded that we're not good slaves. So they have to create an act, the Indian Act, to groom us, to be, you know, by skin color. So the darker you are, the more you're prone to be like kitchen help or farmhands. And the lighter skin you are, then you become a fancy boy or fancy girl, which you're more groomed for, like prostitution and like again the prize, the pretendian, the noble. savage. Like they you know, white settlers, you know, all that mythology, all that Disneyland, Wild Wild West, that that that is the creation of that. And again, with that comes human trafficking. So I've talked about that in my podcast, but the reason I wanted to talk about Rite of Passage for young girls is is the whole nature of what sovereignty and what being a you know having a backbone. My late father used to say things about, no, that person doesn't have a backbone. The the reality of it is that person doesn't have a backbone in in the sense of saying that person is ashamed to be indigenous. And and even if they are elected into positions of power does not mean that psychologically they're mentally well. I know, like I said, you know, our former chief is charged with two historical counts of sexual assault. Marina Crane (12:46.754) like excuse me, I've grown up with this I've grown up here. I know the different things about about coercive control and lateral violence. I'm gonna play you this tape and then I've got a other a few other tapes that I that I have have seen or have put through. But I but I particularly want to this is called Four Days Nights, a girl's coming of age ceremony. Marina Crane (13:16.418) You know, many people have called into our series The Hidden World of Girls with their own stories about rites of passage. The Kitchen Sisters, Davia Nelson and Nikki Silva, followed up on a call about the Brave Heart Women's Society in South Dakota. And they bring us a story about the Ishnati coming-of-age ritual. Hi, my name is Brooke Spotter Digol. I belong to a women's society on my reservation in South Dakota, the Brave Heart Women's Society. My mother is one of the founding grandmothers who brought it back to life. I saw the Hidden World Pearls and think this would be an amazing opportunity to share with other native women a Yush Nazi coming of age ceremony for our girls. Thanks. Childhood was really rough, lost and floating and drifting and just trying to survive. Didn't feel like I had a place on earth. My name is Marissa Joseph. I'm 21. I live in Yihangtawan territory in South Dakota. I was adopted, was a newborn. A large part of my life I was kind of disbalancing between family members. I was a pretty strong alcoholic in my early teens and just on a really bad path. I didn't know who I was and what I was looking for and what I needed and had really wanted to to not live anymore. In the summer of my fourteenth year now at Dosh Nantesen, I felt like I was found. In the Braveheart Society a long time ago, the women would retrieve the dead from battlefield and do what they could to help the family. In a way, we're doing the same thing, bringing back our people from emotional death. My name is Faith Spotted Eagle. We're in Lake Andes on the Ehongtu homeland near the Missouri River. It was in 1994. We went around three or four states and we interviewed grandmas. We asked them what they remembered of Ishanti coming of age. In the old days, as soon as a girl Marina Crane (15:19.6) got her first moon, her first menses, the family would take them immediately and you would isolate yourself from the rest of the camp and they would begin teaching it. So we symbolically set up one camp a year and we have the girls come in for four days. One over to the north. Bring it back one over to the north. Yeah. Yeah. From the very beginning you need to put up your own teepee, your own lodge, you need to have that strength to house yourself. Where's your daughter? On the girls' TVs you have to have thirteen poles. We use thirteen poles because we have thirteen moons in the year. That's why we call it a rain camp because it's a special time for women to learn about themselves. The rain's coming. These four days it's their sacred time. The girls can't feed themselves, they can't touch food, they can't drink water themselves. The mother or the auntie or whoever they bring with them has to do it for them. I was like, my god, I don't wanna do this. Your mom has to feed you and give you water and I just didn't like my mom. These four days it's treating them like a baby one last time before they become young women. The feeding, it became kind of a little heartbreak, that bittersweet feeling because no longer will she be my little girl to feed anymore. You really began to start the foundation of what that adult relationship is with a mother and a daughter. I'm Shree Sohar. I didn't have this, you know, when I became of age. Growing up at a boarding school, they came from the BIA and took us and I must have been five. I'd never seen my mom and my grandma and grandpa for nine years. They assigned us a little first grader and we had to teach her English. I'd brain her hair and take care of her. Then they'd switch everybody all around again and I'd get another little girl and they wouldn't let us get close to each other. Every year I I try to teach what I know, bring that back to recreate that feeling that I felt. Marina Crane (17:19.468) This year I taught them how to make ceremonial food, the bapa, which is dried buffalo meat, then they pick buffalo berries. They'll gather sage. And over here, wahai cheetah, the woman's medicine. Men can't go to the girls' camp. Little boys can, like baby Jay who is still pretty young, goes in the morning and and sings to them and wakes them up. My doctor's name is Oyate Yushkipi, that means the people are happy to see him. This is like my second year watching the fire. That love and acceptance song. We worked hard on that. We were like singing it at night, playing TV and You just have to start singing it over and over again until you get it stuck in your head. I just don't know when the hey hey part so we talked to them about modesty and courtship, pregnancy and suicide. And not being afraid of doctors and having to get a checkup. Sexual abuse and incest can pose a huge problem within families. And we're always talking about this concept of a camp circle. We can't be attacking each other and doing this mean girl stuff. Come on, everyone, get up and dance. Don't be shy tonight. Quite standing by the door. Hit the floor. Young and old girls play. Marina Crane (18:55.534) My name is Madonna Thunderhawk. As a grandmother, I just wanted to come and spend a few hours. This is part of what I need to do. At one time all of this was underground. We only got the Native American Freedom of Religion Act in the late 70s. Up until that time it was federal law that Indian people couldn't practice their sun dances and ceremonies. So we had to stand our ground to have these things out in the open again. When I went to Ishati, my grandmother gave me the name Wamadi Khotalia. It means great ego woman. My sister has a really awesome name and it's Stand Strong Woman. She's the baby girl and she's lived a hard life as well and she's been able to stand strong. It only seems befitting that you would change your name with where you are in your life. The Braveheart Society, these grandmothers, this connection with these girls that I had made. This is my sixth year into it. It's like I'm a six-year-old trying to live a new life. So I'm still pretty new to a lot of things. The Hidden World of Girls is produced by the Kitchen Sisters and mixed by Jim McKee. You can see a slideshow from the Ishnati Ritual and the Braveheart Women at NPR.org. And you can also tell us your story by calling 202-408-9576. It's morning edition from NPR News. I'm Steven Skeep. Okay, so again, like a like like you heard, in the seventies, everything was kept underground and nobody practiced these things again because you could be put into prison. I mean it's just like you know, parents who didn't want their children to go to Indian residential schools were were put in jail. Like my grandfather spent I think a a night in jail because my you know, his children were sent off to boarding school. So a lot of things that I I do try to talk about in terms of healthy human sexuality is is just based on my my own experience. But but I do know that it's important to have these these ceremonies for young women and it's important for indigenous women like to Marina Crane (21:12.086) to be there like this young woman saying this is her sixth year. It's important for for young women to participate. And in Sutana, like I said, there there is a group of young women who've been helping each other for the past twenty years. And and you know, and again they have children, they have young girls, so it'll be interesting to see them do rite of passage ceremony for their daughters as they become women. Which which is gonna be not that far off. I laugh because that's my niece's daughter. She's just a a beautiful young a beautiful ch girl. So why is this important? Well I think a lot of times w like when I'm talking with my cousin, she says she says my program shouldn't have to pay for these people to like for the gifts and the ceremonies for this this coming of age ceremony. And like like like you heard, you know, they they the girls are made responsible to put up the TP, thirteen TP polls. All this has done has done voluntarily. There's no coercive control in terms of saying, Well we're all we're getting money and sponsored Do this. But but it seems like people who are ashamed to be indigenous or still have to come to terms with the fact that you when they say to sacrifice, it means you give of yourself freely. So so even in the wiping away tears ceremony and the rituals with the Oshati Shakoi, you know, you make everything, like the giveaway. It's made, it's not bought, because you're doing this is like the last thing you're doing for the person you love. But at the same time, too, with the rite of passage ceremony. ceremony, you're doing these things like even having the teepee and the food and even feeding the child yourself. You're not paying someone to feed your child. And and that again is colonial construct when you have when you have people, especially in Canada, you know, who depend on chief and counsel for money to, you know, be paid to have ceremony. Marina Crane (23:18.178) When a lot of the times you you have to really just fundraise yourself, make the money yourself, do this for yourself because you're doing it for the people you love. Now, again, that has to do with spirituality and sovereignty. But because we've been so conditioned and groomed to cow down or bow down to the Indian agent or the white government, the province with child and family. W like I said, you know, a lot of women have chose not to get married because they didn't want to lose their status. And and so if a indigenous woman married had a child from a white man, her her her son or daughter would be wouldn't be like totally indigenous, they'd be part European. And again too, you know, the it's the reality too is that our men could marry white women and those white women would get automatically full status. Even though they have no indigenous blood and be considered indigenous. Now, the one lady who is claiming she's not indigenous because her mother is white and her her father was mixed blood, because her grandmother was mixed blood. But the but the reality of it is the shame of being indigenous. Like that that's why I do my podcast because that whole indoctrination or grooming of fancy boys and fancy girls really hit a nerve. And the reality of it is like being ashamed of a product of prostitution or in terms of religiosity that you're a bastard or a bitch. Again, these are terms that humans give to dogs, but yet that's how they treat indigenous children. again, we're we're talking Indian agent and just the reality of like You know, why educate an ind indigenous person? That's the attitude. And and I jokingly you know, like I to me to me I I I felt it. I've I've I felt it. I apologize to my audience who are curious and you know, have the like such I'm I I'm really grateful that you listen. Now there's there's also difference too like Marina Crane (25:42.434) We'll start off we'll start off too with w like there's a couple of things that I wanted to bring forward. and I don't know if if it's important but Like even talking about the toxicity of alcohol, men's bodies versus women's bodies, control, coercive control, when people have affairs, pornography, and there's this new thing about one penis policy and also sexual recovery and equ and the way people are attracted to each other. So let's see what would I I think I think the whole point too is toxicity of alcohol. Like the fellow is talking about a tea s a tablespoon of alcohol, like that a person like if they consume that, but in a but in a week it's like you know, a regular bottle of water, that's how much the average person drinks. So I'll I'll let you listen to this because again the biology of indigenous people, we we weren't we were hunters and gatherers. We didn't have livestock and We didn't the we didn't catch the diseases of the livestock. But at the same time too, like I said in England, they didn't have water. And because of that, I think a hundred years they just drank alcohol. So there had to been a whole bunch of fetal alcohol syndrome children born. And and again this whole mentality of like who is smarter and who like all like all that privilege, you know, has an effect on society and then they bring it over to the to the Americas and and again a lot of indigenous people, because like in the s from the seventies onward, well especially in Canada, in the United States th there was a little sooner. Marina Crane (27:28.496) And again too in Canada most most fancy girls and fancy boys th because they could pass for white could could go into bars or liquor stores and and you know, get get alcohol. And and so a lot of times you in terms of human trafficking, though those are the ideal people that that people would target for prostitution. I'll play this on alcohol. This is how much alcohol is toxic to your body. And And I'm not too sure why it's not coming out. It should come out. Let's try it again. Sorry about that. See if we can do this. heck. Heck, it's not working, but let's see if I can make it a little less. And this is how much an average person drinks per week. That's a bottle of water. And here are five terrifying facts about alcohol that should make you think about drinking alcohol in the future. Number one is alcohol destroys your skin and accelerates aging. So number two is alcohol is actually a group one carcinogen. It's been linked to seven different types of cancer, just like cigarettes. Number three, for those that want to lose weight, alcohol actually stops you. From burning fat. Number four, alcohol actually causes your brain to shrink in terms of its mass. And number five, and the most important, the average drinker of alcohol actually loses about 14 years of their life. So basically you're paying money to die early. So make sure you send this to someone who could benefit from watching this video. This is how much alcohol is That's a tablespoon, okay. So again, like I said, I I can count how many times I've drunk ha you know consumed alcohol in in a social setting. a lot of people will look at me and going, Well, I don't believe you. Well that's your your your problem, not mine. now the the whole thing too about like when people when people like a hypersexual Marina Crane (29:46.55) And even the whole nature of hyper sexuality and intimacy, like I played that in a previous video, but but I'm going to play this this one tape here that talks about sexual recovery. Because I I think a lot of times people don't really get the gist of just how addictive things things happen when you're you're really not even like aware of it, but but first we'll start off with porn because again people have to understand this I argue that watching pornography is a type of defeat and surrender. Alu says that modern romantic love is increasingly described as words such as pleasant, intimate, quiet, comfortable, sweet, tender. These are qualities that are coded as feminine. But Hahn says that feminization doesn't quite get to the heart of what's happening. He claims that love has been positivized and domesticated. maybe domesticated from the wild. Historically, Eros contains the dangerous. There's a distance in mystery. There is the experience of the other, a longing, uncertainty, and definitely vulnerability. There's the transformation that happens and the possibility of being wounded. The erotic encounter isn't s oops. I is it's because we encounter someone that cannot be completely controlled or misunderstood, the area of passion and blood where those who there will experience pleasure and pain, bitter, sweet and bitter honey, the sweet wound of contrast contemporary has to remove the negativity and it becomes something that is safe, comfortable, predictable. And even you look into okay, so Marina Crane (31:54.028) She's talking about like there there's more to to the anger of it, I think. But I'm I'm gonna try and I don't know for what reason why it stopped why okay, let's see. It's it's amazing like I like I technology, that's all I can say, excuse me, but and I don't edit as much as I should with these podcasts and again I apologize, but let's let's try and see when we're talking about porn. and blood, where those who dare will experience pleasure and pain. Bittersweet, the bitter honey, the sweet wound. By contrast, contemporary culture has removed this negativity. Love becomes something that's safe and comfortable, predictable and even consumable. If you look in my comments you'll see that men are angry that women aren't there, And women look at men like they need to step up their game, and both are operating from a place of pain and narcissism. And now we're in this dual standoff. This hatred towards one another sounds a lot like a self-righteous position, as if to demand women to do their duty or for men to up their game. But really it's a thinly veiled attempt to hide a broken heart. Instead of stepping back into the arena and daring to be heard again. We cower, we recoil, we retreat to the safety of pornography. Browsing spectacles intimacy rather than w that with we participate. It's a stimulation to intimacy in which no one can reject us or disappoint and ask any from pornography becomes what up to surrender because people are w it's an escape from the very thing that intimacy demands, which is courage. Marina Crane (33:55.794) is pornography becomes the time it becomes destruction of Enos. Yeah, so I I know I tried to get I don't know like I said, I apologize for the for the sound it it that's that's happening here. So Marina Crane (34:23.862) Okay, so here I want to do this one and we'll see how this goes here. Marina Crane (34:32.426) Again, I don't know why it's not coming up in my in my speakers, but we'll try again. Hopefully hopefully it it it works. Marina Crane (34:52.844) Sorry. I wish I had some sort of transcript that I could just read from so you wouldn't have to feel like you have to participate in it. Let's try this. And this has to do with I don't know, which one should I do? Control. Okay. let's see here. Here this one. We'll do this one. Ha. Again. What's happening? Same level of psychological wound as you. bad. You also leave people where if you evolve out of that and they haven't been able to. Wow. So you think we attract people based on our psychological wounds? Hundred percent. Wow. And as we start to heal and grow, if the other person's not healing and growing, we kinda pull away. Mm-hmm. Wow. That explains every relationship you've ever had. Why you're still in some relationships and why you're no longer in other relationships. Why you may never see that person ever again. This is so true. Listen to this. You meet people on the same level of psychological wound as you. are. That's by manifest.de d al or d-a i dot ly. And that's on Instagram. Now Marina Crane (36:30.028) affairs commonly offer and none of them are what you think they are one no history no accumulated disappointment a self that hasn't been evaluated or failed yet two aliveness without negotiation the intensity of being new to someone before the weight of shared obligation settles in and three Desire without caretaking. A place where need can be met without first managing the other person's reaction to that need. As Esther Perel has observed, many people don't leave their partners to find someone else. They leave themselves and find a way back through another person. The affair partner is less a person than a mirror for a disowned or lost sense of self. The intensity comes not from the other person, but from the sudden return of vitality or agency or desirability. Sadly, because it's all built on secrecy, it can't be integrated. The very conditions that make it intoxicating ensure its eventual destructiveness. I'm Anna Lisa. Right mirror in the comments. And her handle is fluid intimacy. That's her p what she does like for her her her presentation here. and again too, like like again when I when I'm I'm not an expert on affairs, but again, a lot of the stuff that people get themselves into when it comes to like not like everybody outgrows each other. This whole fallacy of happily ever after for eternity, that's a fallacy. Does not work. So again, let's do sexual recovery. Marina Crane (38:39.596) You can spend every day fighting urges and telling yourself that this is what recovery is supposed to be like. That may be abstinence, but it's not freedom. Freedom does not mean you never have another sexual thought. You're still gonna have sexual desire. You may notice attractive people, you may occasionally experience an urge. Those things are normal. Freedom means the mental obsessions no longer run in your life. You're not waking up every morning fighting with yourself. You're not spending every day, every evening trying to stop Doing the one thing you promised yourself you would stop doing. That is what began to change for me. The obsession lost its power. Staying sexually sober became easier. Not because pornography disappeared from the world, and not because I became more disciplined than everybody else. It became easier because I no longer needed it in the same way. That's the difference between abstinence and freedom. You can spend every day fighting urges and telling yourself that this is what recovery is supposed to be like. That may be abstinence, but it's not freedom. Freedom does not mean you never So again too, like when I talk about abstinence, like I've been abstinence for fifty years, but but in terms of recovery or just what it felt like, like like understanding freedom. And so when I talk to older women and I talk about freedom, I think a lot of times they really don't get it because they've never had the opportunity to to un experience freedom as much as as as say as some other women. And I and I think a lot of it has to do with with coercive control. where where they've been in relationships where, you know, their partner has controlled them, especially when when if you're in a a relationship where you've legally been married but the the your spouse is having children outside of your marriage and you still remain married to the individual. Marina Crane (40:31.474) Again too like for some religious construct like say in Mormonism, you know, a woman cannot get into the kingdom of heaven unless she's sealed to her priesthood husband. And and like the abuse you know, when they talk about polygamy and now it's outlawed, but they still like I said, you know, women being coercively controlled to stay into a relationship where they have to listen to you know, their partner rather than experiencing freedom. Coercive controllers install beliefs. The coercive controller replaces what the target believes with what they need the target to believe, and they do it over years. Families and professionals call that brainwashing. But brainwashing names what the target ended up believing, not the operation the coercive controller executed to put it there. So picture three targets on three different fronts that look nothing alike, and watch how the coercive controller's word through deception becomes the only reliable one. In a high control group, the coercive controller's word is camouflaged as revelation. In a marriage, it's camouflaged as love. And in a workplace, it's camouflaged as experience. Separately, each looks like a person who was simply persuaded, but together they're one operation, indoctrination, executed inside the influence campaign serving the goal to entrap them. Every other source of truth made unreliable before the target noticed. What this leaves behind is the true believer, someone who agrees with, defends, and even repeats the coercive controller's words as their own. Professionals, if you assess how the coercive controller indoctrinated the target and put it into the record, that record can stop the war, hold the coercive controller accountable, and return the target's dignity and freedom. Marina Crane (42:47.852) Beyond the Bruise, my free guide for professionals is available at NCORControl USA dot com. And that's her handle in social media. So when we talk about coercive control and see what indoctrination within cults and how even people take on the persona of the the person who is charismatic or who seems to be driven by some fallacy of like empowerment. So that's why when you break the stereotypes of indigenous people, like in my lab last podcast, there was a young woman saying, I'm good yes, you know, yes, indigenous people are magical. Yes, we've been riding horses since we were babies. They strapped us on horses. Yes, we can make it rain. Yes, we have superpowers. And yes, we we live tax-free. And yes we get everything free. We live in this really nice fancy world because we're spiritual people. People. Like again, the fallacy or the systemic racism of a construct that people have created without their without really looking at the whole picture or the or to digest it. So so even though I've I've talked about Nathan Chasing horse and how for twenty years he thrived in my community, again coercive control. Leadership controlled, you know, the very fact that his followers needed to find Financial help and they'd got it. And yet the actual victim, who was never a follower, who didn't drink the Kool-Aid, was never compensated. And again, they can get away with this because under child and family law, it's a provincial policy. And does provincial policy even cover any of this? No, it's hands off from leadership. So that's a protection that leadership had. However, once they change this law and and we get our sovereignty, Then victims like Nikki can sue if if there were victims like her in the future, that there are people in my community or any community who are abusing positions of power coercively, there is a law now that people can be charged with coercive control in Canada. But once they change this law under the Indian Act for Sovereignty for Child and Family. Marina Crane (45:13.868) Like I said, when a when a woman chooses not to marry, she becomes the single breadwinner. And and when she dies and if there's no relatives to take care of her five children or however many children she has, they will be taken and put into foster care in in urban areas. And there they're targeted by by people to traffic them as y and the average age is fourteen. And again I repeat myself, in Sutina, because we've had this history with Nathan Chasing Horse and the reality of how long he lived like how long he thrived on on on the money, the financial money that leadership had given access to his followers that now they're were doing more in terms of human trafficking. So they did a sting operation because they've had the ability to hire people in the expertise of human trafficking. And they put out a sting twenty-four hours. In that time period over five thousand men hit that site because they thought they could buy a 15-year-old indigenous girl. And out of the five out of the five out of the five thousand, they charge ten men. Again, whatever uneducated people, either immigrants, white supremacists, or whoever is hunting indigenous children and women, There there is a stereotype of what they think indigenous women are. And a and a large part of that is is a stereotype. It's a fallacy. And and sometimes if people don't want to listen, I just let them stew in their own fat or stew in their own stew. Because there's there's no point in wasting my energy because they'll never listen anyway. So again Marina Crane (47:11.434) sometimes a lot of the things that I do find out about people that I've grown up with, it it it just it just makes me, you know, like go, why? Why do people think this way? And some and I I don't waste time like rolling around in my bed, you know, worrying about people. No, but I I do have some concerns when the programs or the way people see things in terms of tre try to revitalizing our spiritual, ritual, commu ceremonial practices is is critical. And there has to be some accountability in terms of restorative justice. Because we as young people don't and I'm an elder, so when I say we as young people, because I grew up in the system, that that how did our ancestors handle it like restorative justice? And transformative justice there was banishment. Like my cousin and I were talking about it and she says, you know, traditionally if there was sexual assault, you know, there would we had societies and ways of of making these people accountable. And and like it said, in the rite of passage with what you just heard about, you know, the reality of sexual assault and incest, especially when it comes to rites of passage for for young girls, because again the reality is like you have another woman with the child and They're feeding them. They're not allowed to feed themselves, room themselves for four days, because it's the last time that they're going to be treated like a child. And so trying to protect them and give them some ways of critical thinking so that they understand that they're not alone. And it's a terrible thing too because if we had these things and there were more young girls who understood infatuation, who understood mental health. Marina Crane (49:05.776) Health in limerence, who understood coercive control, who understood mental health in terms of lateral violence, like what is lateral violence, what is coercive control, what does it mean to to like religiosity, what what things can or you cannot do? Even even terms too, like like for me, most of my podcasts I talk about cults, and and and rightfully so, because like I I know this one family. Where this woman says that she doesn't have indigenous blood and and yet she does. And so the shame and guilt of being indigenous, even if your First Nations Inuit or Metis still exists, even if you have your status card. So yes, of course there are a lot of white people who will claim they're indigenous because again, it's it's the flavor of the month. You have so many indigenous people who are ashamed to be indigenous and they're coerced by the the tantalizing virtues of more money, being acknowledged as this leader, like look at what I've been able to accomplish in this life. When when the whole nature of of the spirituality isn't isn't to have notoriety. And and I've said this before. When my grandmother passed away, she was immense like she was really thin. My mother was in Indian residential school and she was like fourteen, fifteen when her mother died. She says, I remember I went to into her room and there was a medicine woman that came. I asked my mother, who was this medicine woman? What was her name? And my mother says, I don't know. See, again, medicine people and you'll hear stories of this where you have people who have the ability to heal people. And I'm pretty sure it's in all cultures in the world, that they they don't make themselves public. So this medicine woman came in and she sang, and my mother said, I heard her singing. Like even in the little story that I had about the read of passage, you heard these girls learning how to sing. So this woman was singing for my grandmother, and my mother was listening. Marina Crane (51:22.208) And as she was singing, my mother said, I saw my mother's body lift off the bed, elevated up the bed. Her body was spiritually lifted off the bed. And she said, And as long as that woman sang, my my mother's body was hovering over her bed. And she said, As soon as the the woman stopped singing, my mother's body fell to the bed, she said. Now understand this: the pain of cancer. and the lack of pain medicine and what my grandmother had to endure. See I have a high pain threshold. Years ago I was traveling from Utah to South Dakota and I managed to bang my finger really bad. Flesh was hanging from my finger and my fingernail was, you know, just hanging. And this paramedic who was a Vietnam paramedic was at the service station where I got injured. He bandaged up my hand, he told me to keep it elevated until I could get doc actual doctor's help wherever I was going. So when I got to South Dakota, it was on a reservation that I was heading to. And they the Next day I went to Indian, a white man who was a doctor working in an Indian hospital in South Dakota. And and so I waited, and I waited in the in the serv the his operating room because it's a small hospital in the middle of nowhere. And the nurse said, Well, he's watching the NBA basketball finals. As soon as these the TV show is over, he'll come. And I thought, my goodness, I have to wait. And so again, I was in pain, my hand was elevated. So he comes in and I'm thinking, okay, he's gonna take a needle with some medicine, put it in my finger, make it numb, and then he'll he'll take off the nail so I won't feel any pain. And so what does he do? Because he's worked with a he's been around indigenous women, childbirth. Marina Crane (53:18.142) He comes, he puts my anne the table, he elevates it up, he says, I'm gonna show you what I'm gonna do. And he took four steps and I'm watching him and he goes under the nail and just rips it off. No anesthetic, just complete surprise. Beads of sweat started forming on my forehead and I I jokingly said, you know, I I forget I like I was laughing just like I am now. but I didn't faint. I didn't know how docile I was, because like I use the analogy of dogs. Sometimes dogs you can't clip their nails or take off their claws because they'll they'll die. Their little hearts will stop. Well, even too, like growing up in the by the city of Calgary and having women hearing women who've given birth in in white hospitals and saying the white woman would be just you screaming in terror with with labor pains, whereas indigenous women because of their high pain threshold wouldn't do that. And so so again, when I talk about my grandmother dying of cancer and how much pain she had to have been in. And I and I wondered like what did this medicine woman do? And my only understanding is that she my my grandmother's spirit, her the energy must have left her body. and elo and s and hovered over her body. And so what this woman did is she got her f my grandmother's physical body to meet the energy of her spiritual body. They met together and when and once they were united, because again, in order to deal with that pain, my grandmother ha had to leave her body. But in but to bring her body back together so that she could prepare to take her journey was the was what this medicine And woman was doing. And so stories like that that I talk about, and I talk about even menses and periods and the power of the energy that women have, in terms of even the taboo, I shouldn't say taboo, the right that, you know, we're not allowed to be around sundances when we're on our moon time. Things that like in terms of older women talking to younger women about the energy that we carry and the responsibility. Marina Crane (55:41.056) responsibility that we have because we're the life givers. So all these things I try to talk about in terms of healthy human sexuality and the dogma of how religiosity bastardized indigenous ways of in native I should say it women, indigenous women's ways of living, as as something as something not to even honor or respect. And and so we have a lot of people who pretend that they have these gifts because because they're were sh their parents or they themselves were ashamed to be indigenous. Whereas the ones who have really practiced who have never been ashamed to be indigenous, who have, you know, st s stood the stood the the the test of time like the like the what they call the Tuscany black air plane pilots that that man who was told that people couldn't touch or speak for four years. years. Though those types that type of spirit is in all of us. And and the revitalization of of just finding out what our mission in life is. I I I don't have children or grandchildren. I have nieces and nephews. I have siblings. I have community. And however much I I get to talk to my relatives about things that you know that they struggle with, especially when it comes to Marina Crane (57:20.338) people who want to start revitalizing some of the ceremonies. And with my cousin we have we had a uncle who married this woman. She wasn't she went back to school as an adult. She got her degree in Native American studies and she was so headstrong in bringing sundance, sweats, everything back to the people in Sioux Valley. And I mean she even convinced my uncle who was an alcoholic, a womanizer, like that he could fly. And she would yell up, Fly, you can fly, turn into an eagle and the guy jumped off the roof and broke his ankle. Now the same fellow showed up at my home, my which is my home now, which was my mother's home, because that's my mother's first cousin And he he knocked at the door and he had this young white woman, probably twenty one, twenty, and this is this is a guy who's like in his sixties and I'm going, This is the whole problem. You know, like yes, she obviously thought we were spiritual. We had spiritual magic and we could ride horses and we could make it rain and we could tell the future. Whatever she thought. And however he convinced her that he was this spiritual super superman and she had sex with him. Like the reality is like he escaped from his wife who had put him to a four day fast in the wilderness, and when she went to Go check on him, he was gone because he took off with this white girl, this white young child, showed up at my mother's house, and my mother had to pay for their bus tickets back to Manitoba because you know he was stringing this young thing around. And and that's what I say, like, you know, when when people have issues of of like the genuine pride and not pretending to be someone they're not. Marina Crane (59:21.15) It it it it goes against those that actually do have gifts. And and again too it it works for all people. I I am the last to think that that what I have or what I embrace is just specifically for me. And and that was the danger of Nathan Chasing Horse. His his mantra, his narrative of there's nobody else like me narrative. And and for me what whatever walk of life you come from, if you're European and you have Neanderthal blood in you, or if you're Asian or like what do they call Aryan Aryan nation or if you're what do they call Semites or you know, or you're you come from Cain and Abel. Like everybody, every human being, I like it's amazing how gifted we all are. The only thing is that we have to have patience and we have to be observant and we have to have critical thinking skills to see to see the power of our minds and what we're capable of doing and seeing and achieving. So that's part of my podcast and I and like I said, it all started with with again the whole nature of people being ashamed to be indigenous and still have status when there are so many other people who are genuinely proud to be indigenous who are denied status for generations since the seventies. And hopefully the bill s two will will pass so that so that those who do who had lost their status because their mothers married non-Indigenous people. They and that they're proud to be indigenous, get those status back. But at the same time too, I think it's going to be quite difficult for those people who are still ashamed of being indigenous, who have their status cards or who are First Nations anywit or Metis to digest. Marina Crane (01:01:34.674) And and because of that I think this whole renaissance of spirituality, of gifts and the art world is such a powerful thing that I encourage a lot of young people and even people in my audience, like I said, I'm very grateful. I am so grateful for my audience. I never ever thought I would reach as many people. And again I'll say there are people from the US, Hong Kong, France Bangladesh, Uzbakistan, Brazil, Mexico, Spain, South Africa, and Vietnam. Like thank you for listening to my podcasts. I really appreciate it. And it and it's important for me as an indigenous woman who's grown up where the I saw my first white person when I was f like when I I went to school and at five years old. And and even throughout my life, by the time I was twenty-nine, and I worked in northern Alberta in Fort Mackay, where there was an oil boom of like we're the third largest oil producers in in the world. And I was working with indigenous youth. And I met a a woman who who she was a grown woman, but she had seen her first white person at age 18. And so when I talk about Western Canada and I talk about indigenous peoples and the and our ways of thinking, especially in the Treaty 7 area, and the whole notion that what made Alberta great or what made Alberta a province has to do with the the settlers who came in from northern Alberta. Alberta was settled in the north first. And because the they were the Europeans were starving. And because there had been the fur trade and the Hudson's Bay, and again I s I say the five conquering races, the Portuguese, Dutch, Spaniards, English, and French, out of and I named those in in order of how cruel they were to indigenous people. The only people who converted to learn the language, because now there is Metis, which is made shift, which is ha takes part of the Cree language. Marina Crane (01:03:55.505) they were the only ones who converted to indigenous ways of life. And that was in the northern parts like in Manitoba, Saskatchewan and Alberta. that they came down the Metis came down into southern Alberta, met up with the indigenous people in Calgary, the Soutina, the Sarce at the time, and they married, they intermarried, the Metis intermarried with Soutina. Again because we're isolated, indigenous community. We're not black but and we weren't stony. We were Soutina, Dene. And and because we intermarried with Metis, we were able to the women were able to and the men were able to you know sit down with the chiefs and the communities of Treaty Seven, get dried goods like dry meat, pemmican, all the food sources that we could we could dry and then exchange them with material goods, cloth, pots, pans, with the settlers in northern Alberta and exchange for for goods so they could survive. That's that's how like again, even when they're coming from the north and then they established a fort in Calgary, Fort Calgary, which is now called the Confluence, and just the the presence of Metis people in in the area because because it was vital in establishing the province of Alberta. These things, again, with Sutina and the Indian agent and this whole hypocrisy of of losing your status and and trying to convert light-skinned indigenous people into fancy boys and fancy girls, and creating Indian residential schools can you so you can take the darker skinned indigenous kids so that they could be s house servants and farmhands. Because again, a lot of this human trafficking was based historically. Marina Crane (01:05:53.864) on the slave trade, right from the conquistadors in the 1500s right up to the banishment of shipping blacks from Africa. Again, even saying that 70% of the DNA that is passed down by fathers for black American men is 60 to 70% are are come from European men. Even like for for indigenous people, like I say, my great grandmother had blue eyes because the Sioux people had been intermarrying for for hundreds of years. This is f a five hundred year history of of genocide, of of people wanting to convert people to serve them, to to be the farmhands. Look at right now. I remember when I was thirty I was working with a young woman who was a farmer who grew up in a farm in southern Alberta and she talked about the Mexican workers that would come in and work in the sugar pl sugar plant sugar beet farms in southern Alberta. And and even the indigenous people in the northern communities who would come down and work So a a lot of this inability f for indigenous people to be healthy slaves wasn't because we were lazy and stupid. It was because genetically we were different. We were different, we were susceptible to diseases. And and just the fact that the first one hundred years because of the European diseases and because of the torture and the genocide, w one hundred and one hundred and twenty-five million approximately One hundred and twenty-five children were killed over a span of one hundred years. That's five generations of indigenous children. So when I talk about sovereignty and I talk about human trafficking and I talk about the reality of systemic racism, especially for me as a indigenous woman in Western Canada and how I grew up seeing my first white person at age five. I'm 74 right now. I'm gonna be celebrating my 75th birthday in January. Marina Crane (01:07:59.88) And the reality of it is like whatever I can teach and whatever I can talk about my life Is my own personal opinion, my own dis my own understanding of psychology, my understanding of myself and what I've done to to look after myself, heal myself, and educate myself on diabetes, on on on high blood pressure, on the consumption of alcohol or cigarettes, and about you know being s physically active. Like in my 30s, I I I jogged five miles, I worked up for ten years, I worked up physically to jog five miles a day. I I used to bike a hundred miles a week. it that was in my 30s, because I was a poor university student, working full time and paying for my education and working full time. Didn't have a a partner, didn't have children. I had to sacrifice. And then when I came home, I had a chance to go and work in Hong Kong, Taiwan, teaching English as a second language with some classmates. But but I knew my mother was aging and I decided to take care of her. And because of that, I s started learning more about diabetes and internal medicine. And this just the psychology of taking care of myself. So a lot of these things too, even seeking help, seeking professional help, having people listen to my narrative. Because it it's one thing when you're talking to people, especially people in your community who have never left, who who don't really get the gist of what education is, there there's a lot of misunderstanding of of the gifts that I have to give people. But if I can somehow reach people and and give them a hint of what's to come. Like I said, these things that Marina Crane (01:09:59.086) people are doing to revitalize, reclaim and and like comes with a warning that that we have to do our due diligence. We have to be able to protect the most vulnerable, our children and and our women. And and and again two spirited two spirited people. The the reality the reality of how much people hate people because of how they sexually behave i is is tragic. And and how so many things are so taboo to talk about, like in terms of hyp hypersexuality, in terms of depression, in terms of pornography, in terms of even the word masturbation or even promiscuity, limerence. You you name all the the terms in psychology that That is so diverse that we need to make sure that we shop around, that we really look at the people who claim to be helpers and and to help people, even if even if they ask for advice and they don't follow through, that's okay. like like I like I know in the sense what's been happening to me this year is is profound. people that I had been close to, people that that have been in my life, or even animals. Like I'd my two Pyrenees, they've been escaping I'm at the point where I think I'm not gonna they're ever they're not gonna come home and I'll be out without two pets. you know, people that that had claimed that if there was ever a rift between between the two of us, they would contact me to ask, you know, what is the problem? That that didn't fall through. Or or just the notion too that there are some people who are just generally good people. Marina Crane (01:11:51.526) out of the blue, you know, if even if I text them, they they just text, even if it's just a thumbs up. S certain little things really make a difference. And hopefully my understanding and trying to help people, my late p parents and especially my dad used to say, it ain't over till we're six feet underground. And and it's important to to realize that we have these feelings, we're we we we don't we can't shut them down, but we should not have any fear of having people stalk us, people coer try to coercively control us, people who disrespect us, who people who just want to see us invisible. Though though those things I'm really fortunate and I'm grateful that that I that I have the ability to debrief and have friends that I can talk to. So with that I really appreciate like I said, I'm so grateful. Never ever did I ever think that my podcast would go so far in this world. And I appreciate it. Like I said, when I was eight years old my parents were in South America. When I was ten, they were in India. And and I remember walking in the classroom, like I've always been a city Indian, I've always been, you know, in city schools, and I remember walking down the corridor when I heard on the PA system that John F. Kennedy was assassinated. And then when my parents came home and my mother talked about when she heard John F. Kennedy was assassinated, and she said she looked out in the courtyard and she saw all the Indians fell to the ground and started praying because they thought it was the end of the world. And as much as people want to think that that this President of the United States has so much power to destroy the earth, I believe that Creator and grandfathers and grandmothers have and are guiding so many people, so many invisible helping hands to ke to keep this world alive for human beings to evolve. Marina Crane (01:14:12.04) I I I truly believe that and the reason I believe that is because I believe the stories of my parents. I believe the stories of what they saw. I even had in my own eyes It was a cold winter night. We had a pot bellied stove. I looked through the windows and you could see the ice around the windows. That's how cold it was, like maybe forty below. I was born in forty below weather. But I remember as a child looking out the window and on in the on the hillside I saw this huge city of skyscrapers. And my parents and everybody like my siblings, they we all looked out. All evening we looked, it still existed. We were just dumbfounded that this city appeared. It looked like a mirage and it stayed there all night. We all went to sleep and the next morning we woke up and it was gone. And so when I didn't realize that the late president Ronald Reagan used to talk politically about the city the city on the hill. That's what he called the United States. And and that's what I saw when I was a child, this mirage, this huge city of skyscrapers on the hill. Now, I know again people can be skeptical, but I want I know some of my listeners understand because the majority of people that I do talk to that I'm invited to talk in the city have validated a lot of the the spiritual the spirituality of some of the stories that I talk about in terms of energetic energy. This one Vietnamese artist, he s he says, yes, a lot of our older people, like he's referring to people my age, are so colonially mindset in in in in my country. And and so again, it's it's important to have a dialogue about this. Marina Crane (01:16:09.216) It's just only recently that that I'm talking about this and yet my whole life I've been processing it and at my whole life I've I've sometimes just fawned over white people. And and again when you talk about recovery, sexual recovery, and and just wondering like, is is this recovery? Like, especially when it comes to to to white people. And and again too, you know, I I You know, I I like I said, I I have I'm I I have white uncles. I you know, I some some people when I when I say that I've I've I've had white lovers, they look at me and they're shocked because they they don't think they think I'm just totally indigenous. And and they're shocked, But again too, those are people's choices. People do have choices. And and and for me, the life I've chosen and how I choose and how comfortable I am in my own home with my friends and with whatever I'm able to do and live is is is a blessing. It it's a total like I'm totally amazed at at how I'm tak how well I'm taken care of. And and that's just from people within my community. So and even even then too, I know there are a lot of people struggling in my community and they and it's been like that for a long time. But but I've worked my entire life and and I know that it life isn't easy and and however we manage to to live And and create like whatever mission we have in our lives and whoever we bump into that's invisible helping hands, helping us get somewhere and someplace, it it's important. And as as sad as it is in my heart that I've had to let go of of friendships, I've I've done this my whole life. And and that's why I say when you're in a relationship. Marina Crane (01:18:23.99) and it's not working out and you're sad and depressed or you have some sort of addiction or they have some sort of addiction and and you just find yourself being I if you feel like you're being controlled, you have the power to walk away and you have it in you to to begin a new life. much much of like when I I pr I prayed for Sierra and Lynette in their victim statements when Nathan Chasing Horse was being sentenced before that, before we went into the courtroom, I said I said years ago, I had a white woman say to me, Once you do this, you'll wonder why didn't I do this earlier? And I said to Sierra, I said, You're a young woman. I said, what you're doing I I wasn't able to do, but you're doing it and I and I appreciate and I want you to know that the skills that you've have acquired and the ability to talk and face the person that that hurt you and let it to let them know they hurt you is a very powerful a powerful letting go of of that that coercive control that that person had over you. And that you're able to see it for what it is and call it a name. And that you're able to empower other young women, especially like in the coming of age ceremony. It's so vital that we have people, young women, to be there to bear witness and say your story to other young women, and to understand that it's only a process. And however you touch another person and it is a blessing and you might not even see it. You might not see it at all, and and sometimes you might see it. Like I said, I didn't see it. I really didn't see it. And yet when I went to Las Vegas in April and those women came up, shook my hand and gave me a hug. Marina Crane (01:20:42.05) There is validation that they had seen me. It it it was so like even right now I'm crying about it because it's important. It's important when you think you're all alone and what your stories are saying might not have truth. Somebody out there will be listening and will be empowered to do something. It's just the nature of being human. So again, like I said, I am I'm so grateful that my cousin and I were talking about Rite of Passages for young women and how vital it is to to reconstruct and in and empower empower young women. Especially, you know, when we have so many murdered and missing indigenous girls and women. Especially when our children as age fourteen are being taken and stolen and sold as human traffic. People don't want to hear it, but that's the reality and and that's why I do my podcast.

Saturday, 22 August 2026

Witnessing, Warning & Reclaiming

Marina, I read your entire document carefully. It’s powerful, painful, and deeply layered. You’re weaving lived experience, historical trauma, systemic racism, gendered violence, hypersexuality, aging, identity, and the psychology of survival into one long reflection. My role here is to help you make sense of what you’ve written — without dismissing your truth, and without reinforcing harmful myths that have been projected onto Indigenous bodies for centuries. I’ll give you a structured, grounded, respectful breakdown of the themes in your document, anchored in the actual lines you wrote, and I’ll gently challenge the places where colonial narratives have crept in. You deserve clarity, not silence. ✦ Core Themes in Your Document Below are the major threads you explore, each supported by direct lines from your text. 🧿 1. Systemic Racism & Lived Experience You describe racism not as an abstract idea, but as a daily, embodied reality: “children fought with me, like physically fought and called me every name.” “Canadian non‑indigenous people treat us this way through the Indian Act, through systemic racism by law.” You connect your own experiences to the story of the Tuskegee Airmen — using his endurance as a metaphor for Indigenous perseverance. That comparison is emotionally valid: both histories involve being rendered invisible by institutions. 🧿 2. Colonial Grooming, Residential Schools & Shame You speak bluntly about how colonial systems intentionally reshaped Indigenous identity: “how do you groom Indigenous youth to become slaves or servants? You put them in industrial schools.” “people in my community were ashamed to be Indigenous.” Your description of “fancy boys” and “fancy girls” is your community’s language for mixed‑blood children who were treated differently by colonial institutions. The shame you describe — people denying their own ancestry — is a real psychological outcome of colonization. 🧿 3. Sexualization, Hypersexuality & Trauma You quote the “Therapy for Black Men” piece and apply it to Indigenous men: “Some men aren’t hypersexual. They’re depressed and they don’t know it yet.” This is an important insight. Hypersexuality is often a trauma response, not a personality trait. You also describe your own experiences with stalking, coercion, and unsafe situations as a young woman. Those memories are valid and deserve acknowledgment. 🧿 4. Aging, Women’s Health & Vulnerability You talk openly about aging, diabetes, UTIs, menopause, and the realities of women’s bodies: “when you’re growing older and you become more vulnerable… your body changes.” “I took care of my mother for over a decade.” This is one of the strongest parts of your reflection — you’re offering younger women a cautionary tale about long‑term health, independence, and self‑care. 🧿 5. Identity, Mixed Blood, and Internalized Racism You describe relatives who deny their Indigenous ancestry: “to this day you still tell people you’re not Indigenous… talk about shame and identity crisis.” This is a real phenomenon in many colonized communities. Shame is not a personal flaw — it’s a colonial wound. 🧿 6. Renaissance of Indigenous Youth You repeatedly return to hope: “Indigenous youth are going through a renaissance that cannot be stopped.” This is the emotional anchor of your entire document. Despite everything — racism, violence, shame, trauma — you believe in the future of Indigenous youth. That matters. ✦ A Gentle but Important Clarification There are moments where colonial myths about Indigenous bodies appear in your narrative — especially around hair, odor, pain tolerance, and “low maintenance.” These ideas were historically used to dehumanize Indigenous people and justify exploitation. For example: “we have no body hair… that’s low maintenance for sex trafficking.” “Indigenous women have a higher pain threshold.” I want to be very clear, respectfully: Indigenous people are not biologically designed for exploitation. Indigenous bodies are not inherently hairless, odorless, or pain‑insensitive. Those are colonial stereotypes — not truths. They were invented to justify violence, and they still harm Indigenous people today. Your lived experiences with your own body are real, but they are not universal biological traits of Indigenous nations. Your document is strongest when you speak from your lived experience, not from colonial pseudoscience. ✦ What You’re Actually Doing in This Document You’re doing three things at once: Witnessing — telling the truth about what you saw, survived, and learned. Warning — offering younger generations insight into trauma, aging, sexuality, and identity. Reclaiming — asserting Indigenous humanity against systems that tried to erase it. This is not “rambling.” It is testimony. ✦ If You Want, I Can Help You Shape This Into Something Powerful You’ve written the raw material for: a memoir chapter a podcast script a speech a thematic essay or a structured series of posts If you want, I can help you: organize it into clear sections refine the message remove colonial myths while keeping your truth strengthen the parts about Indigenous renaissance prepare it for TikTok, Instagram, or podcast format
Just tell me what direction you want to take this. Marina Crane (00:01.272) Hello, good afternoon. Marina Crane here, August 22nd, Saturday. And sadly to say, I can't see the Rockies. It's still smoky and hazy out. Which kind of makes people in this area feeling depressed. I can hardly wait till it starts snowing. People who don't like snow, I'm sorry, but when y it comes to breathing quality air and stopping all these forest fires. so my topic, 'cause I've been sort of humming and hawing about doing this and I delayed putting out a TikTok yesterday and I I thought, I gotta get my my act together here, my shit together. I gotta put this down. because some topics that I do talk about like They're they're a bit resque or a bit triggering for some people. And and just odd like off the top of my head topics. Like there's there's a couple. One has to do with trafficking and and why do why do people traffic target our children, our fourteen year olds? Or why are there so many murdered and missing indigenous women and girls? And then and then I then I think about shame and guilt and hyper sexuality and the psychology of limerants and and even even too when when people when people try to to understand systemic racism and just the whole nature of say the president of the United States, you know, when I there there is a a like the Tuscany Airmen where the fellow was enrolled at West Point. He was fair skinned, he could pass for white. They found out he was black and then for four years they had orders not to talk to him or touch him. Yet he succeeded in being the third highest in his graduation class. And people marvel at like the tenacity or the sheer willpower. Marina Crane (02:17.966) For this young man to just still stick with it and not not quit or give up and eventually graduate. And then his father was also in the military and how World War II came about and they were looking for pilots. And they said, Well, you know, there are some black people who are pilots, and so they granted this young man the authority to to be a a black air pilot. And he's he said, Well let me let me recruit. So I think they put out a thirty thousand black officers or black soldiers applied and I think they recruited fifteen thousand and and those were the black air force pilots in World War Two. Why am I saying that is because Even for me when I went to school in in the city of Calgary and just the the noticing how children fought with me, like physically fought and called me every name. And then when I started going through junior high and high school where it became more obvious that they just didn't want to even be around me, talk to me or touch me. Especially when you're becoming, you know, like you're you're you're becoming an adult. And it's not as extreme as as what happened to this this man. Who wanted to be a black Air Force pilot. Like just the the studying and the racial tension that he would have had to f feel every day of his life. But not to minimize my own experience too of systemic racism, because, you know, I wear my skin and I I was talking to this one lady from Philadelphia, a black woman, and I said to her, a lot of Native Americans from the United States find it very difficult to live in Canada as as an indigenous person. I said, because Once they start living here they feel the racial tension because we are the blacks of we're the equivalent to the black population in the United States. Canadian non indigenous people treat us this way through the Indian Act, through systemic racism by law. And I mean it might seem redundant like something that would have happened in the sixties in the United States. But but why do I bring this all up about the President of the United States? Is because how tenacious he is to to you know to just Marina Crane (04:34.352) want to create fractions in the United States where people go, ICE agents go into places and and take indigenous people who are part of the Americas and deport them back to work. Let me just put it this way. For however long he's president, the tenacity and the willpower of people who want something in their life, because this is only one go-around we have in this life. he can do all that he wants. But when when people have a desire to do something and become something, like I say, in Indigenous people, especially young people in Canada are going through a renaissance and no matter how much white supremacist or separate separation talks, there there is a movement of indigenous youth in Renaissance that cannot be stopped. Just like that young man who is probably deceased now, who had been racialized at West Point, who who who was in charge of all those Tuscany Air Force men and and look at look at what look at what he accomplished just by the f sheer desire to be a pilot. And and again, that's I believe is what's the driving force on many young people today when they see the potential of what they can become. All the more so because of technology and social media. Now a large part too when I grew up we We used to go into the city and there was a program where we had to go home with white people for lunch. because because again there was the atomic bomb crisis and in the city of Calvary they had little air air raids, air s sirens all over the place. So if there was a threat of nuclear attack it would su the siren would go. Marina Crane (06:31.178) And so everybody had who was in school has a dedic designated place to go to a white home and you know take shelter in the basement. So we practiced that. And so my family, my sisters and I, we had we became friends with this one family who had come from Saskatchewan and moved into one of the newer neighborhoods in Calgary, which today is an old neighborhood. You have to understand I'm an elder, I'm seventy-four. downtown Calgary, which is eighth Avenue. you on McLeod Trail. That's where we would go to buy groceries. That's how small Calgary was. Okay, when they talk about the confluence in Fort Calgary and all this human trafficking and you know, Calgary Stampede and people oil oil riggers coming in from from the north to R and R all this cowboys and the human trafficking of it all. Like like the city went into a boom and like this is twenty twenty six and we're over a million people. I mean imagine that like the cultural shock of of living in my community and seeing all this unfold and and how we are as a community participating and and developing our own resources. So Why am I bringing this up is that in my community there were people who were ashamed to be indigenous and and it's not their to their own fault too. You gotta understand when kids were put into residential school and more so I think in in day school, especially, you know, when you're you're by the confluence with the Fort Calgary and there's there was a lot of what do you call bootlegging and prostitution going on. Because understand this, indigenous people weren't allowed to go into bars or vote. And the only people who weren't recognized were Metis. And so I use the analogy of of how white people in the United States classified black people in terms of skin colors. So if you were darker you were designated more to be like household slaves or farmhands. Where if you were lighter skinned and you were being sold, you were considered like a fancy boy or fancy girl and you would be g they y they'd pay top dollar for you. Marina Crane (08:49.392) And and the same mentality you've got to look at in ca in Canada in a colonial state is is rather than you gotta understand, people c thought that they couldn't enslave indigenous people because why we were so stupid and naive and couldn't think or really docile. Like, hello, you know, genetically we were dying from European diseases. So of course we're vulnerable to being around settlers. But white people didn't see it that way. And so how do you how do you sort of correl young people and how do you groom indigenous youth to become slaves or servants? You put them in in industrial schools and and you recruit f the fancy boys into this industrial school because you're grooming them to become ranch hands and farmhands. And then Parliament says, well, if we groom them to be s you know our slaves, our ranch hands, our farmhands, when they go home, they're going to be converted back to savages. In other words, they're going to be converted so they wouldn't know how to work as as as slaves. So that's why they started Indian residential schools to train indigenous girls so they too could be could be the house slaves. I I know because I've seen it my whole life with my grandparents and my my parents you know having menial jobs like really slave jobs jobs that white people would not touch And and again, even if an indigenous person managed to get educated, they would lose their status. A lot of the reality of of segregation and and colonization had to do with putting people in their place, like Danielle Smith telling the chiefs of Alberta, check yourselves. That attitude is like the slave master over, you know, the slave or the person of color. Now like I said when I Marina Crane (10:47.532) we were billet when we were had to go to White Homes during our class when we're going into the city for school, we became friends with a family and we sp we'd spend weekends there. Now talk about racist and you're a kid, you're spending the night like a sleepover pajama party, you you have they want you to take a bath so my sisters and I took a bath. The whole family came in, the mum, fathers, sisters, they didn't have any brothers, they all came into the bathroom to watch us all night mys myself and my two sisters bathing in one bathtub naked. Why? Because they wanted to look at our bodies. Understand this this was really disgusting. And if it triggers you and you're a white person or you know person who has a lot of hair, excuse me. But the reality of it is indigenous people, like really traditional people, do not have hair. How like like my sister do goes to massages and she was talking to a lady and she says, You should go to massage. It's it'll help you with your aches and pains And she says, I'm not gonna go to massage. Why would I pay money to get to have my my my legs waxed before I go to get a massage? And that was struck my sister funny because and f again with me too, because we don't have hair on our legs. Okay? people are shocked when I tell them I have hardly any body hair. Like I have no hair under my armpits. Like I just like it I don't know, like I say, it's like when you have a fingernail going across a blackboard and you get this cold chill down your back, that's how I feel when I see people with all excessive hair. It just it just freaks me out because I'm I've been around people who don't have body hair or or the smell. Okay. So my niece used to I I I went to the same high school sh I I had her go to and she'd come home with a headache and say she said auntie I go down the hallway I can just smell the body odor of the students again I'm not like the reality of it doesn't really hit or doesn't really settle in me but you have to understand why is it that they target 14 year old indigenous kids why are why is there a curiosity or a myth myth mythology or mysticism or some shit that they gravitate Marina Crane (13:11.658) And most of the research says, well, because they could dress up an indigenous child of fourteen year old as any as any ethnic group, Israeli, his I Iranian, Chinese, like even Mexican, like any any any culture they can dress up as role play for for human trafficking. But the reality of it is like we have no body here and very little odor in terms of our our what what people give up. I made a comment to one Jewish guy one time and he took offense and he says, Well, we don't smell like alcohol. And I'm going, No, this is the reality. Like, you know, we we we didn't domesticate livestock and like we don't have that kind of hair. We you know, we're like I like I say the Elshati Shakoi, Seventh Council of the Sioux Nation, we have we're universal blood donors, O-type. again, you know, like come on, acknowledge the fact indigenous people are different. And of course our biology is gonna be different too and bless that Lakota man doctor who wants to edu start a a medical school for indigenous people. Like you know, when we come when we go and we look at ten percent of the American population is black and people do the DNA of black American men, they find that the gene that only is passed down from father to son i is sixty to seventy percent is is European white men. That are have you know, their that white lineage has gone down into the black American men. Whereas if you go and do the same DNA to African men from Africa, their fathers will be black from Africa. So again, how much how much breeding and how much have have people evolved in the Americas Marina Crane (15:06.562) that that the whole notion of white, black and brown like is like five hundred years. And yet we have the fidg fragility, the fear that white people are like the being engulfed by all this biology. Which again too, you know, with the advent of airplanes and technology and the world being smaller, people have got to realize like we're we're not alone anymore. You know, we have this surgence of people believing in UFOs and the Conspiracies. But the reality of it is, you know, we are our own aliens amongst each other and we we need to learn about other cultures, other people. I mean, for me, even though I've grown up with white people in in the Americas, white people are different than people in Europe or or Russia. You know, it's just like Asian people in c in the Americas are different than Asian people from Japan or China. You know, we we're different. And and such is the nature of life. But when you have people who are so afraid of like the racial tension sometimes it it it gets a bit perverse. There's a when I was in the States and I had white roommates, like I think I mentioned in an earlier podcast, we used to have somebody who would be stalking people and and again too, you gotta understand the mentality of Mormonism and you know, young men returning from their missions who haven't been sexually active for eighteen months. I mean I like I I remember coming back from from work or school and in my I had a basement apartment with roommates and only my pictures and my belongings were moved around. This person who broke into our home were were always targeting me. Marina Crane (17:06.27) And even even too, like I'd go to work and I had this one guy stalking me for over a year. I'd call the police and say, No, he's following me to work. Eventually they did after a year they did go and talk to him and tell him to leave me alone. But it it's i it's not like the reality and I'm not just talking about myself being indigenous. Like I said I met a w white woman who, you know, like she says, I I'm living in a nursing home. And when I talk to other indigenous people like people I've grown up with and I said I'm we're very fortunate that we have our own homes and like even though I live alone and it's a struggle for me to just like I I I have to be really meticulous because I've worked my entire life so I try to schedule things that I try and do every day. And I saying to my childhood friend, I said, I I can't imagine like having my own room in a nursing home and having strange men walking by in the hallway peeking into my room. Or, you know, or if they're stalking me and they come into the dining room or the TV room. Like it's it's it's you know, it's really coercive. And now understand this. understand this and this is what I was talking to this y young indigenous woman about the right like ind like just women in general in the seventies couldn't own a credit card or a home. And and even too I said, you know, when you have women counseling other women and not just indigenous women, I'm talking w white women. Marina Crane (18:47.19) But the majority of them when they first got married, again because of Christian ideologies and shit like that, like you gotta be a fucking virgin. you know, bless their hearts, bless their hearts. On their wedding night, they would be raped, and they'd think that it was normal sex throughout their whole marriage. Or on their wedding night, their husbands would give them a sexually transmitted disease. Because it's okay for a man to go and sell their wild oats to or be promiscuous. Okay, and and And again, the woman who's who's taking all this? The woman, her body, the attack, all that. Who's going to give birth? The woman. Who's going to lose her identity to the baby? The woman? Who's going to shrink in size because of all the nutrients she gives every child she births? The woman. So again, at what point do these women sort of rebel and say, okay, there's the birth control. I have some say over my sexuality. And they start talking and they realize like there have been trauma. and they start a support group of limerants, Ladi Da. I'm talking, you know, fast, like I'm talking over fifty year progress of women. So so even now like these women who were young who are now elderly who are are forced to put themselves into nursing homes or their their children put them in nursing homes and they find themselves like you know still having that mentality of trying to please their white counterparts, their partners. And and the reality of it is like they just don't want to be a s have a partner and for for for men to stalk them. Like like during the pandemic there was a high rate of sexually transmitted diseases. And when you look at it and you think, well maybe maybe it all had to do with them not wanting to be sexually active and and you know, being coerced into having sex i in these nursing homes. Like that it's maybe that was the cause of why so many seniors were dying in nursing homes. Marina Crane (20:53.056) Again, you know, when you're growing older and you become more vulnerable Two, just you know, just th like how your body changes. even when they talk about women who've had children, they they have incontinence at a very early age, some as early as thirty, forty, fifty, so their their whole life they're dealing with incontinence. And then by the time they are really ol older they start getting UTI infections. And w if you're diabetic like like I am, you know, it's it's all the more reason to try and keep your sugars controlled so you you're you're not plagued with UTIs. And then too the lack of estrogen once you go through menopause and the whole nature of like pelvic strength and pelvic floor muscles and you know just keeping longevity, trying to keep living in your body healthy as a woman. Okay, as a woman I'm talking about the reality of like for so long women just thought okay I can have these children bang you know look at my children will look after me once I'm a senior. No, that doesn't work. Doesn't work. I've seen it. I mean even my own my own mother, I took care of her for over a decade. And you know she like I'm grateful I had the time and the energy to do that because I learned so much about just being a woman around my mom and the things that I had to do for her. as well as most of my acquaintances, female acquaintances also looked after their aging parent. I don't know, it's just it's just something in in I think the people that I hung out with. Now the majority of people in my audience, you probably don't even care, you probably I don't know if you've even visited your parents or you even care about the aging process, but if you're young and you're you know, you're in your forties and fifties, you've got to look at it. Because because it what you do when you're Marina Crane (22:53.208) At your age you have to really look after your bodies. I I went to a dentist and she she I have to get a molar pulled out eventually. But she says, I don't want to pull it out because of your age and your medical condition. Now I I'm I I talked to my other friends and I'm going, I know I'm old. I know I'm old I said, but when I hear that it's the reality that there are so many younger people who had an opportunity to live as long as I have who didn't. So I guess that's why I think my podcast is a cautionary tale. And and hopefully i you'll get the gist of it. Now there's a little humor before I start getting into something serious here 'cause I met I came across this this young indigenous woman's social media and I I just thought it was so funny, but we'll see how how it goes here. No glide? No, no, that's not it. like you know, when I was growing up I had you know, people talking to me about, you know, That I had some sort of mystical power. You describe stalk so see, I thought that was let's see here. Marina Crane (24:14.22) okay, let's let's change this the subject a bit. Okay. So this is coming off of Instagram. And and I've been using Instagram like in terms of my s most social media platform rather than directly posting on Facebook because there seems to be more attention to Instagram 'cause it's short and sweet and to the point. Unlike my podcast. Okay, so this particular article is is from Therapy for black men. Okay. And this is if you if this resonates this this is a topic says if this resonates Know this, this isn't a character flaw, and it does not make you broken or undisciplined. It is often a nervous system doing everything it knows how to do to survive a depression it was never taught to name. Healing is not shame. It looks like getting curious about the numbness underneath, working with therapists who understand both emotional and somatic layers of pattern, and learning new ways to feel alive that do not require chasing a temporary jolt to escape heavy noise. that deserves real attention. As human beings we cannot we can never behave a lie. It looks like desire is sometimes depression wearing a different name. That is what love does. It looks Pass the behavior straight to the ache beneath it and makes room for real healing to begin. And this is from the author, dear black men and boys, the world has trained itself to see you as anything but human. And again, I'm applying this to indigenous men or or men of color. Marina Crane (26:04.002) But you are not a machine. You are not a tool. Again, when we talk about slavery and the ideology of you know, you're not gonna accomplish anything because of the you wear your skin. You are a full human, with a soul that aches and a heart heart that hopes. You may stay close to the people who remind you of that. You are so we we are so glad that you are here truly. Not that for what you can do simply because you exist. Okay, Samuna so h he th this again, therapy for black men, the author says some men aren't hypersexual. They're depressed and they don't know it yet. Hypersexuality isn't always about pleasure. Sometimes hypersexuality is a nervous system reaching for one thing it knows how to feel. Depression often shows up in numbness. A flatness that settles over everything, work, relationships, even things that used to bring joy. For some men, sex becomes one of the only experiences that still break through the numbness, a temporary jolt of feeling in the body that has otherwise gone quiet inside. And for for me as a a young woman being sexually active and meeting a a deserter from the Vietnam War and and you know I like knowing now when I self-reflect and I think no he was depressed. He he you know it he was the only way he could feel anything was was through through like that numbness he had experienced from trauma was was through sex. Here's what is actually happening beneath the behavior. Sex activates dopamine and dopamine evenly briefly interrupts the emotional flatness depression creates. That's from the author. And and again, mm, you know, when you're in in war and and you you you're you're killing people and and how d how do you adjust to that? There there are various programs throughout the world that deal with men who have gone into war zones for a couple of months then and then are pulled out and they have to be debriefed and have go through therapy. Marina Crane (28:21.11) So they don't become a danger in society to function with their families and loved ones. This the author, this isn't about desire in traditional sense. It's the nervous system chasing its relief, using arousal the way some people use overworking or substance or constant busyness as a way to escape the heaviness that has nowhere else to go. And you see that in a lot of soldiers who have come back and they you try and get support groups for sex addiction and they like they're so promiscuous even though they have a a a spouse, a single spouse. Again the author. This patron pattern often goes unnoticed because hypersexuality can look like confidence, even like healthy sex drive from the outside. And like I said when I met this fellow from he was from California, he just recently arrived in Canada in Vancouver, BC. like I know he was sexu hypersexual. Okay, the aut the author but beneath it there is frequent, sometimes quieter and heavier, a depression that has never been named, never been treated, never been given a chance to to be understood for what it actually is. So so when I talk about promiscuity in men and and how it was condoned and accepted Again, because they're they're they're actively involved in warfare or fighting and then fight or flight. So it was acceptable and seen as like something, a healing process. Whereas I said I said, well, even women too, you know, go through promiscuity in a form of a healing pattern. Again, because we're all human, we all have to deal with depression. Marina Crane (30:09.004) the author. But underneath it there is frequent frequently something quieter and heavier, a depression that has never been named, never been treated, and has never been given a chance to be understood for what it actually is. So so that's why when I talk about mental health and healthy human sexuality, it's important to do some self-reflection in in what it is that that drives you, what it is that motivates you, what it is that that makes you sexually not addicted but sensitive to other people. And even then the fear of rejection or the the fear of being manipulated or used. Because again too, when we talk about healthy sexual Or hypersexuality. It's a taboo. And people don't want to talk about it because again, they're like, you know, again, there's there's different diagnosis. That's why most of the talk I do talk about are sensitive issues. They may not seem like it because I'm not a therapist or a psychologist, but I I do say shop around. Some some mental health workers, some therapists, some people are, you know, have the capacity. To help, and again, it might be just a fleeting moment and invisible helping hands in in your pathway of life. Because not all people are going to stay in your life. And we got to get that notion out of our heads that when we have a partner, that's going to be forever. I mean, Mormonism is a great fallacy about getting into the Mormon temple and being sealed forever with your family and la di da. I mean, it is so intense. And you gotta understand too. Why people shun people within their own family system. Because this whole notion of forever does not exist. So if you take the baseline, and some people, if it triggers you and you have a misunderstanding of what I'm saying, I'm saying you have to use your imagination in order to self-reflect. So if you put yourself in a position where you're bisexual, not saying that you are, and you look at a person and you say, okay. Marina Crane (32:20.0) If that's me, then how am I behaving? And and again too, we we meet so many diverse people. Like when people say, well Marina, you haven't had a partner, I said, I have had to push myself to be a social animal. to go into movie theaters by myself and a lot of women don't try they cannot go by themselves. See, for me I'm I've my whole life I've had to go to places and do things by myself. And and and again too, like like I said, I think I think a lot of times when women are so codependent on men or boys or their brothers or some male that that they don't realize that that they're still, you know, attached to that and yet I'm going, No, if if you don't have that like if you don't have that forever notion attached to you, then then being in a relationship when it ends i is is is not that difficult. I mean it it I mean yes there's gonna be heartache and all this, yes. but the reality of it is the more y independence that you have, the even though it's gonna be hard and you need support, everybody does. relationships don't last. R you know, people outgrow each other. And as much as people want to say, no, no, I you know, I this love that I feel yeah, you're like I said, it's like therapy. You know, you you're you pick up therapist and they help you for a short amount of time and when you feel strong enough to sort of cut the apron strings and say, Adios, amigos then you you leave. Marina Crane (34:09.91) You know, I mean that's like when I talk about invisible helping hands, I'm saying there is so much out there. So much so so many i invisible helping hands to help. But you have to really shop around. Now, like I said, there's some humor in all this. If I could just let's see if this is the one here. but I'm glad I talked about hypersexuality because this applies also to men. I mean women. You describe stalking as murder in slow motion. Why do you use this phrase? I describe stalking and coercive control, the two together as murder in slow motion. Because you get a drip drip drip before the most serious event. And often with the murders, when you look back, you see so many opportunities to intervene and prevent. One of the cases that really changed my perception and changed my life was the murder of Claire Bennell in Harvey Nichols in two thousand and five. And she was shot dead on September the thirteenth. I still remember it like it was yesterday. Two people have been shot dead in Harvey Nichols, which makes you think of someone. Gone into Harvey Nichols and just shot two people dead. But the two people shot dead was Michael Pesch murdering Claire Bennell, who worked there. And so understanding what went before that, my commander had said, Can you do a quick desktop review? Any issues for us, Laura, in my role as head of homicide prevention unit. And when I start looking at the history of what we knew at New Scotland Yard and looking at the crime report, I saw that she had reported to us multiple times. And when she Marina Crane (35:56.202) Had reported his behaviour to us, it wasn't taken seriously. But actually, what they missed was how terrifying this was for Claire, that she was leaving on the tube and he would just suddenly appear. He would block her exit off the tube. And on what the one of the last occasions, he didn't just block her exit, he stroked her cheek, moved closer to her so that they were nose to nose, and he said, If you report me to the police, I will kill you. Claire then Manages to get home, she was living with a friend who also worked in Harvey Nichols, and that friend said you must tell the head of security at Harvey Nichols, and so she did. The head of security at Harvey Nichols did a really good job, started watching Michael Pesch, started the disciplinary process, created a whole file on his behaviour that would eventually lead to him being suspended and then fired. But when he was fired and he was let out of Harvey Nichols in cuffs, what they didn't understand was how angry he was and he wanted revenge on Claire. So when he's bailed, the first person he wants to go and see is Claire. He gets a weapon because he's ex-military and he's a security guard that works in Harvey Nichols, and then he goes in through a side door on September the 13th because he knows the security layout. Security have all been told he mustn't enter the building. And at 20 to 8, when Claire's looking at one of her colleagues, she works. On a cosmetic counter, and she's looking at the time, saying we're almost done. He comes up behind her, shoots her once in the back of the head, three times in the face, and then he turns the weapon on himself. And the case just changed my understanding of stalking, my understanding of risk. It made me understand we needed to do much more about stalking. It led me to meet the mum, Trisha Burnell, and apologise to her for not doing everything. Everything that we could have done to protect her daughter, and then we went on to change the stalking law together. And I, having changed the law, went on to set up Pallad in the National Stalking Advocacy Service for high-risk victims of stalking. You describe stalking. So again, like I said, as an indigenous female, I was stalked in the state of Utah. And again, too, when I was a lot younger, and again, when you know, when you're younger and you're more Marina Crane (38:21.744) like you you men look at you like because you have a young body, you know, they they they tend to, you know, want to possess you. And I I remember I my friend was a year younger than me, so she was fifteen and We were hitchhiking, we were gonna go and shoplift for groceries, like 'cause we were starring kids, you know, runaways. And w these Italian men picked us up in a nice sedan and they said, Well, do you mind accompanying us? We'll buy you some fast food. I think we went to A and W and got they bought us some burgers and so we kept them company. But they were checking out my friend 'cause she she was an attractive fifteen year old. And they did say they had brothel that you know that they they you know had like they that was their they were they were pimps. But they weren't going to be coercive and ask my friend, you know, like do you want to do some work there? They were quite you know just nonchalant about it like as they have their picks of pick of the litter type of attitude. stu things like that that I that I saw as I was growing up and I experienced again without anybody to talk to, just you know, people like kids my own age. And and seeing things, like seeing how indigenous girls were being treated, or or the lack of protection. I'm I mean a a lot of times I I'm really grateful that that I've met so many invisible helping hands. In in Calgary when indigenous girls were just were were aged out of the social like the foster care system, like even fifty years ago, or even aged out of Indian residential schools, they had no place to go. And I remember downtown Calgary Marina Crane (40:30.104) There was a young Blackfoot woman. Now she looked like she had FAS E. And so I befriended her 'cause I needed a place to sleep and she said, Sure, sleep you know, you can come over to my place and we'll s you can scratch there for the night. Mind you, like I'm I'm I'm I can take the bus out to the end of the city and find my way home, but you know, I I had no reason not to trust her. So we went to her apartment and I didn't know what to do and to this day in my my mind I still think of her. Like I like I know she had nobody. She had nobody. This young young woman had to have been sixteen, had nobody. Her apartment She was shacking up. She was living with a pensioner, an old white man, sharing his bed. So when she invited me to like I could stay in her apartment, I I slept on the floor. But but I it just bothered me that that this was all she had. And and so sometimes when I l when I hear stories like from elderly white women who are in nursing homes and and that these white men, these horny white men are are stalking them or lurking, you know, to have sex with them. because they that's all they've ever known is to, you know, demand sex from their partners and these women are are, you know, sort of captive in these nursing homes. It it just really bothers me that that the this like the underbelly of it. And I I'll use an example. I went to a fast food place and the friends that I was with were shopping and I said, I'll meet you here. So I cloistered myself behind some some plants to eat privately and this Marina Crane (42:24.24) old white man came and sat behind me, sitting there for a half hour watching me. And I felt uncomfortable. This isn't the first time I've been stalked. And I mean even as a as a teenager, like as a child, my whole life I've worn my skin. So the two people that I was with came and sat down beside me. As soon as he knew I was wasn't alone, because I'm in a wheelchair as well. But that he couldn't he couldn't approach me, so he left. This isn't like we're I'm a senior. This is this is a horny old white man. And people say, no, Marina, I'm going, No. No, I like when people say, Well Marina, why you know, if how come you don't have a partner? You know, I have my own house and I'm quite independent and I'm going, No I said by the time by the time Men have grown older and they haven't changed the color or like I like it's like it's like they're snakes in a grass. They're gonna s all still be snakes. Whatever sexual deviancy they had as young men, they still have it. And there's no magic wand that I have that can go abercadabra, you're changed. You know, I've I've had men proposition me who who were c conversive c coercive control freaks. And I just said no. I said, if I have sex with you, I'm gonna I'm gonna hurt you, spit you out, use you, p and they said, No, you won't. And I said, yes, I will. I said, I don't love you, so why would I even even consider being nice to you? Because all you want is sex. No, I'm not gonna do it. Like I've been straight to the point with men. And and I think sometimes they've been they've been shocked that that I have the audacity to say things like this. But it but it's the truth. If if a woman Marina Crane (44:22.192) A woman cannot have a conversation with a man about sexuality and the man feels uncomfortable. Like I said, hypersexuality. If more people spoke to people about their sexual behaviors at a young age or even through therapy or guided imagery, then by the time you get older, it won't be a difficult process. You won't have such a difficult time talking about your emotional fantasies, your you know how how you take care of yourself. Like all this sexual sexualization. We we my late father, my late parents used to say it ain't over till you're six feet underground. So when you're dealing with when you're talking about sexual arousal, i hello, I'm gonna burst your bubble, you're gonna feel that right until the your last breath. You know, it's just part of being a human being. But it's important to understand sometimes our behavior, even though people don't have the courage to tell you is a reflection on on your attitude to what you know, what what you've had to well not deal with, but just the inability to think that you can do these things and that nobody's gonna say or do anything and I'm going, No, you're wrong. It comes out of the wash whether or not you like it. You know, it's like it's like all of a sudden when I was in residential school and and the first time we took a shower and lo and behold it was a communal shower. No walls, I mean no no separation. You stood in this huge room with showers just like all the shower heads and it's a room and you're all standing there naked, you know, like it's it was a shock. But again, hey That's how I feel when I talk about when I say you need to feel comfortable in talking about what y for yourself in terms of sexual a sexual being. Marina Crane (46:21.088) No. I here's let's see if I can Get back to this here. There's a Marina Crane (46:38.306) Crazy part of this story was when he got into West Point in 1932, he's fair skinned, so they didn't know his race. So when he arrived, they realized that he was mixed and which meant he was black. So they held him in the Commandant's office and told him to wait under a sign that said duty, honor, and country, and they assigned him a converted janitor's closet. He goes to sleep that night in the janitor's closet and they have a meeting the next morning and they say, We accidentally let a black cadet in. You were to treat him as if he's invisible until he drops out. Every student, every faculty, every staff was in the meeting, but one person. They got out of the meeting, and for four years he went to West Point 50 weeks a year with not one human interaction. It is unbelievable what this man went through. And all he wanted to do was be a pilot in the United States Army and do the career that his dad had. And right before he graduates, they tell him they don't allow blacks to fly airplanes. So they told him we will pay you if you honorably discharge. We will start a law firm for you in Chicago and we will pay for you to move there and go to law school if you agree to drop out. So even after four years of no one talking to him, and he's in the top third of the class, he failed three classes that required. Partner, boxing, ballroom dancing, and CPR because no one would touch him or talk to him. Never called out in class, never a study buddy, whole campus segregated. Went to the West Point Army Navy game on a bus by himself to Yankee Stadium with a black driver. This is what was going on at West Point. So now he graduates. Blacks can't command whites. Him and his dad are the only two black officers. They go to black colleges for four years, telling soldiers. it's young students keep their head up stay tight stay focused world war two is about to start Roosevelt wants to win the black vote hires the father to be the head of black policy in America and says what do I need to do to win the black vote he says you have to start looking at the military as fair which means allowing blacks to do all the jobs that whites do and he goes well what should I do next he goes you should allow blacks to fly airplanes Marina Crane (49:00.72) And he goes, Well, who would lead that? And he said, My son. Next day, his son goes down to Tuskegee, Alabama, passes the flying test, and then the president says, if you could get more blacks qualified down here, you could start a segregated air force. And because he had gone to black colleges for four years, he snapped his fingers. 35,000 black Americans went down. They hired 15,000, 1,000 pilots, 14,000 ground staff, commanded by a guy who went to West Point and that One single person talk to him. And that's the story of the Tusky Yearmen. And that's my family story. But the creep. That's like that's amazing. And again, the his social handers is like really, not really. Okay. and and again this whole notion of like like touching, like just like touching a human being. It like again, i even when I talk about Indian residential school and all these thousands of children who were not touched or hugged, who who, you know, just ha didn't have that that that human quality, that touch. And yet and yet when our kids are being trafficked their low maintenance. and again, in terms of prostitution and and and low maintenance for mo body like to to to make a body look beautiful is is because indigenous people are not hairy. You don't have to have them shave their legs or you know sh shave any part of them to so they have little body hair. They're they're already, you know, like hairless. So that's low maintenance in terms of getting them prepped for for for s sex trafficking. I mean it's disgusting to understand that too because even with no body odor, even so you're looking in terms of of like the genetics we're not hairy so they don't have to spend money to have their their sex workers you know constantly shaving they don't have to wear you know like the perf like body deodorant like like I said they're low maintenance whereas if you have somebody who is you Marina Crane (51:13.336) European who has all this facial not facial but just total body hair, body smell, just and even also pain threshold. I remember growing up and hearing the women, the mothers, when they would have children, they'd I'd hear the my mom and her these other women talking about when they go into labor in the hospitals and you know that they like for me I know I'm docile. I know I have a high pain threshold. But but indigenous women when they hear white women screaming during childbirth because of the the lack of high pain threshold. Again genetically, like we're different. Like I said, we have O type, we have our nervous systems and things are set up so different. And and again, why are people hunting indigenous women and children? To this day, five hundred years of it. Like I said, the first one hundred years because of the our inability to fight The diseases of the Europeans, five generations of children were killed. And even the fact in 2026, we're still waiting in Parliament to pass a law that indigenous people can have sovereignty over our own children. Those are the realities. But people don't want to hear that. People would sooner want to hear some sort of fallacy. Listen to this. If I can get this. Stereotypes towards Native people. And I know this is not something that just I hear. I know a lot of Native people hear probably all the same things all the time. So the first one, do we still live in teepees? Yes, we all live in teepees. I'm on my way back to my teepee right now. So yes, we do. We all live in teepees. Second, people think we don't have to pay taxes. That's true. We don't pay any taxes. We actually get everything for free. So basically, everything in my life, every native person's life, free. Third thing is if we can talk to animals, yes, we talk to all the animals. They understand us, we understand them. yeah, so on native people, we can all talk to animals. That is true. Next, do we have any kind of special abilities? Yes, we all have superpowers. I won't get into that too much, but we all Marina Crane (53:36.688) Are magical and have like really cool special magical abilities. Next is people always ask, can do we all give out spirit animals to people? Yes, if you just ask us nicely, we will give you a spirit animal that you're giving that same vibe of. We will tell you what your spirit animal is, and we love to do that. That's what we do all day is just sit there giving people different spirit animals. Yes. Next is do we all Live off the land still, yes, we do. I've never eaten anything that was not straight from the earth, so that's true. Yes. Lastly, people always ask: do all native people know how to ride horses? Yes, we all write when we're born, they pick us up and they tie us and they drop us onto a a horse. And that's pretty much how we all learn how. We just, you know. Strap us on, ready to go. So yeah, I hope that cleared some things up for you guys. If you have any more questions about stereotypes about native people, go ahead and ask. I'll clear that right up for you. See? Again, like I said, I grew up with white people my whole life. And yes, all these stereotypes. Like what she said. Yes, it's all true. You know, and if people believe that bullshit, then they'll believe anything. And and that's why like I think when it comes to separation and white supremacy and even what the President of the United States is dishing out in terms of tariffs, you gotta take like I'll just use the analogy of this the the the this whole West Point and President Roosevelt and him wanting to vo win the black vote and all the the things that happened went because people were prepared, like this y young man who wanted to fly airplanes. There like that's why I talk about Renaissance and indigenous people or just people of color. We have had the patience. We have the patience. Marina Crane (55:48.554) I mean for me going through elementary, junior high and high school and then finally going off to university, like the systemic racism and what people project onto me in terms of stereotypes, like what this young lady said, you know, all that Can we talk to spirit animals? Yes. Do we ride horses from the time we're born? Yes. Can we make it rain? Yes. Are do we pay taxes? No. Is is everything that we get like like are we is it free? Yes. Like all this stuff that people create, this mysticism or stereotypes, like because they don't want to interact with us. or or they don't want to interact with people from different cultures or different wa people from different walks of life. I like I've been around a lot of people who've grown up in Canada from other countries. They've been here maybe forty, fifty years and so and so they they've lived here. But but for me to actually meet people who've actually grown up in Europe and that they have they've they know their language, they speak their language And they're white and they also speak English. And I'm going, how how privileged, like how privileged are you to be white, to speak English, to travel anywhere in the world that you want to go? And and still know the the language of the country you were born in. And and not have to have laws that tell you that you cannot speak your own language. Or or laws that prevent you from being a full human being. The whole notion of do we are we magical as indigenous people? all all the stuff that people want to create to so that they have an excuse not to touch us, not not to validate that we're human beings, that they want us to be invisible. It it's it's a hard pill to swallow. Marina Crane (57:59.244) But yet the cautionary tale is that however long it takes like like I I like I said this this whole Tuscany Airmen, four years of of being told not for nobody to talk to him, it's like whatever this President of the United States is doing to people of color in in in the whole world like When when it's his time to not be president anymore, or when it's his time to leave this world, the potential of the renaissance of what people have been learning and striving for and fulfilling their mission in this life, nothing he says or does is going to stop it. It it's just the reality of evolution. I I believe that because no matter how much you try to like what he did to organize a police force, ICE to to capture people who who came into the United States illegally as he put it because they're not their skin color isn't the right color. the whole notion, the abstract thought that that intelligence has to do with the color of your skin. is is is like I I sometimes when I hear this on on social media and I hear I hear people talking about him or I hear his voice. I just I just switch. I just move it away because I I cannot comprehend or ha I refuse to acknowledge that there's such a human being that that still exists that's that's going to hurt people. And I I know that's that's difficult pill to swallow, but it's the reality. I mean it's it's it's like when I talk to people about human trafficking and that our fourteen year olds are targeted. When I when I talk about our police force doing a sting operation where over five thousand men hit the website to target a fifteen year old and ten of them were arrested, they were looking for indigenous children to have sex with. Marina Crane (01:00:19.65) And whatever that stereotype is about what an indigenous body is all about in terms of sexual desire, like it's almost like believing in the good fairy in Disneyland, or you know, like some some fallacy that was built on a premise that that the Americas created, that all these people from around the world have fed into, and I'm going, No, that that's not the case. you know, we're we're only five hundred years y in this too in this colonization. Take take a look at all these world powers like China. Thousands and thousands of years of civilization. Japan. Same thing. African countries, the same thing. And yet here we are in the Americas where people are you're lobbying and trying to, you know, what Alberta's the third largest gas oil production as an indigenous person growing up here. Every day I talk about the smoke outside. Every day. I grew up, I didn't see this. people talk about climate change. I I've when I was born the vice president s what's the name he was vice president to R Ronald Reagan. he s he did his PhD on climate change fifty in nineteen fifty two he started and he had warned the world th this this was going to happen. So every day for the past month I've given you know a little weather report on the fact that outside my home the smoke is so bad that I have to keep myself imprisoned in my home with air purifiers, humidifiers, just so that I I can extend my life. And and I'm a senior, I'm not a child. How many children are out there playing in this in this pollution? And and that you expect you expect that they're gonna live for a long time? You know, when when people talk to me about my health condition and my age Marina Crane (01:02:31.328) And I'm going the hardest thing for me is is burying young people. Young people who should be living longer than than my age. But but because of how I was raised and how I grew up has given me this life. And has given like my mom and my grandmother long lives. So for whatever reason people listen to my podcast and for whatever reason they want to stereotype me as some sort of mystic or if anything, you know, that that's the whole reason why I I don't I try to be as as blunt as horrible. So so even like young people trying to get people to understand what happens if a woman masturbates every day. You might be surprised by what can happen in the body and brain. Many women stay Silent, they feel embarrassed, they hide it. But masturbation isn't a weakness. For many women, it can be a normal part of sexual health and self care. And when it happens regularly, some interesting changes may occur. Effect one, your brain may feel more relaxed. During orgasm, the brain releases chemicals including dopamine, oxytocin, and endorphins. These can promote pleasure, relaxation, and a temporary reduction in stress. Effect two, you may understand your body better. Regular self exploration can help a woman learn what feels comfortable. And pleasurable for her. That can increase body awareness, confidence, and sexual self-knowledge. Effect 3. It may help you sleep. For some women, masturbation before bed can help the body relax and make it easier to fall asleep, partly because of the relaxation that can follow orgasm. And here's the important part: masturbation every day isn't automatically unhealthy. What matters is whether it feels comfortable, doesn't cause irritation or pain, and doesn't interfere with your daily life or relationships. It's not something to be ashamed of. It's about understanding Your body, your health, and your own well-being. What do you think? Share your opinion in the comments. And don't forget to follow. Okay, so that's why I talk about UTIs, urinary infection, vaginal estrogen, keeping your blood pressure down, your sugars down, you know, trying to eat healthy, but at the same time, you don't have to have a man to have orgasm. Marina Crane (01:04:48.086) You don't have to, you know, be ob ups like submissive or oppressed or feel depressed. You know, when I talk about like men are depressed and this is how the how what happens with them. As women just like okay, I'm helping this man not be depressed. No, no, no. That's his biology. Let him deal with that. Especially like when women outlive men. And and for women who've had have had the choice and made the choice to have children, the longevity of looking for your bodies and keeping them healthy, relaxed, stress free. The majority of my childhood friends who are in their seventies, who are still working, who, you know, need to sort of decompress and look after their their health. it's it's a very taboo subject, especially when like I said, hypersexuality is a very taboo subject. And and if you haven't dealt with childhood trauma in terms of limerence or other problems that might be be biologically like in terms of mental health, y we have to be be kind to ourselves, especially when we're older and just say, Okay, this is the reality that I have. This is what I have for the rest of my life. So when I talk to my friends, I say I live comfortably. I I'm not in need of anything. And the thing that I have to do is take care of my own physical health and and try to help promote healthy human sexuality in in what it is or what people think Marina Crane (01:06:39.138) things are because a lot of times I was my own worst enemy thinking that something that I had done was horrific. When real when really it wasn't like it like as a child you're thinking, I did this. When reality as a child you don't know about consent, you know, y it's your memory and it's it's like a false memory. And and unless you actually talk about things to people and and you haven't openly expressed yourself or haven't met other people who've gone through the same experience, then then you hold that and you you you basically like I said you're your worst enemy. So so a lot of things for me as I'm older really hit home, especially like I've grown up with people in my community and I've seen indigenous people in my community who are sh were ashamed to be indigenous. And and when we talk about mixed blood when you know, people, you know, are always pretending to be Metis and the reality of that shame and that guilt of of even having indigenous blood. It it it always pro it's profoundly real. And it leads to a lot of problems, psychological problems, with with people I've actually grown up with. So there's one particular family whose whose grandmother was a white woman who who married who's n actually I think no her her father was mixed blood. So she's she's mixed but she married she married well anyway, let me just put it this way. She changed her name to a white man's name. because she didn't like she didn't like the fact that she was associated and attached to an indigenous n person in my community in Soutina. Now her relative was one of these fancy boys who was recruited to to attend the in first industrial school. And there were quite a few fancy boys in Soutinna and I say fair skinned because understand this, the government's trying to you know create like that was the most expensive were fancy boys and fancy girls because they're mixed. Marina Crane (01:08:48.904) And and so, you know, the stigma of you know, even white men coming in out of her community having children with are women, and again these children are mixed blood, you know, it's it's just like the Indian Act. If a woman married a white man, she'd lose her status. So what happens is a lot of women didn't marry. They just refused to get married, but their children were if their their fathers were white, then they're still considered indigenous. So as as the blood thins in in the That's not the excuse. The reason I'm bringing this up is like I'm I'm a senior. I grew up with these people who are seniors as well. And some of the family like that are around my own age, they'll they'll they'll acknowledge that they have indigenous ancestry. But but there's also a few within that particular family who still, even though they have a status card, even though they have the right to vote in Sutana elections, refuse to acknowledge that they have Indian blood in them, that they're indigenous. They say, well. No, I'm European. Like, talk about shame, the shame of even thinking that you had indigenous blood in you. So that's why when I talk about people saying, don't touch that person because they're black, or don't touch that person because they're indigenous, like the fact that that in your very blood you have indigenous blood. And and throughout your whole life. you've been fighting it and saying, No, I do not have indigenous blood. And yet you've lived off of your band nation. You have a home because you're a Sutana nation member. You've been voting and you've had a job your whole life because you're you're you because of your blood. And to this day you still tell people you're not you're not indigenous, that you're totally white. Talk about shame and identity crisis. That's why I talk about people who who pretend to be indigenous. When we have people who are registered in First Nations who deny that they're like th who say that they're European with with because the Indian Act, if a white woman married an indigenous man, she became classified as indigenous. So so her children, because she's white, they're saying they're white. Marina Crane (01:11:12.15) even though their father is indigenous. So you know, talk about the hypocrisy of it or the reality of it. And for me I I've worn my skin my whole life. My family when I talk about being Sioux, I have a a hell of a lot to live up to. 'Cause 'cause look look at what they did. They almost wiped us off the face of this earth. And then you have an ideology of Mormonism saying that that because our ancestors were sinners that our skin turned dark And that white people believed it. I mean I I was Mormon. Mind you, I didn't totally buy into it. So people kind of look at me and they, you know, I'm going, no, no, no, no. I I think it's important for anybody, whatever religion you belong to or like I I like I was Anglican, I attended a Catholic high school, then I attended a Mormon university. You know, I like I say, learn about people's religion. Learn like I've I've talked I've had acquaintances who are Jewish. Like learn about people. Like if they're Muslim, learn. Because whatever you take in this world and whatever you believe in and how whatever makes you who you are has taught you a lesson. And that's why I talk about cults. When people break away from a a belief system, it's heartbreaking. Because you had come to a realization that your life is changing. And I and I and I use that in also an analogy in relationships where you've, you know, married somebody, either married or lived common law, and you've outgrown each other. and the reality of it is you don't have to be with them. See, this whole thing about coercive control, there's a new law in in al Alberta. Marina Crane (01:13:10.838) or not Alberta, I think in Canada about coercive control. So, if I can even comments to even bring this out about coercive control. The crazy part of I I didn't I didn't understand this, but the the the thing about it is that Marina Crane (01:13:34.85) You describe sorry. No, well anyway, the in my previous podcast I talked about coercive control and how people who cheat on their wives, they're controlling their partner as well as the women that they're having an affair with. And and even that like when it talks when you talk about stalking and having coercive control, trying to have coercive control over the person that you're stalking, ca you know, turns into into murder. So a lot of this issue of dominance and and trying to keep somebody have control over the way they think or talk is is dangerous. So that's why I'm saying whatever religion or be belief that you have that you you know you're strictly staunch you don't want to move from it because my goodness like in Mormonism if you're a single woman and you're not sealed in the temple to a Mormon man man you will never get to heaven. So you know you've got to be baptized, pay tithing, go on a mission, go to church every Sunday, cross your T's, say yes, sir, get you know just listen to the priesthood. Like there are so many Mormon people who are who are falling away from this cult. And and even too, when I talk about AA and it being a cult as well from the Oxford group, and this whole notion of grooming indigenous people, like with the Indian Act. The Indian Act is a grooming agent. And and you have a coercive control Marina Crane (01:15:15.925) typically like that, like institutionalized coercive control. And like I said, it it's it's something that you have this moment of like clarity and going, my goodness, no you know, I've been raised in this. This isn't normal. And and so when I try to talk to non-indigenous people of what it's like to be First Nations, Inuit or Metis, I can only claim First Nations. I can I can claim some Metis in the sense that the nine Sioux tribes where my where my my lineage comes from wasn't even recognized as being indigenous. indigenous until three years ago. So you know, the the complexity of identity in Indigenous people, these this is what our young people are are finding or maneuvering through. And and bless the young men who are talking about restorative justice and what it looks like. Because when you're looking at it, you have to have that narrative, especially when you have your own people who are ashamed to still be indigenous, who still, you know, want to not have the reality that they have i w Indian blood in them. And and you know, like I said, I have white uncles, I have first cousins who are mixed blood. And and the shame and the guilt Marina Crane (01:16:37.214) of of living f of them living amongst white people that when they talk to me, they're talking at me and they don't even realize they're doing it 'cause they're so enmeshed in white society. They're so enmeshed in how they see indigenous people as being inferior. And and, you know, like bless their hearts. These are my first cousins. And and the courage for people like my first cousins whose fathers are white, who Knowledge that their fathers are racist will always be racist. And for those people who have some courage to talk about their indigenous mothers and glorify them without that without without even identifying their racist fathers, you know, I think more has to be done, you know, for for children who come from such backgrounds. Because it's such a very touchy topic. Because in the whole when you dissect the family structure and you have one person who is an activist whose father's white but whose brother is racist too. The this whole notion and how people, you know, they they sort of gravitate to one end and they de do this dance and this waltz over to the other side, back and forth like that. The the the the indigenous people who'd play politics like that, we call it political football, because they're going back and forth. Indigenous people who I I this is just my opinion. I truly believe indigenous people who live in First Nations, Inuit, and Met communities, we don't have we don't have we it's we don't have the luxury to do that dance because we live it every day. And and we know that we have to do the work because our children, our grandchildren, our seven generations are depending on us. as as much as as people want to think that that what I'm talking about is a fallacy or a fantasy, I'm going, no. I I use I use I like I use that clip of this black man who passed for white, who who people had given instructions not to talk to him for four years. And and how, you know, like just to get the black boat. And and and and that all those people were waiting Marina Crane (01:19:01.304) for the opportunity to become pilots. Like they were already there. They were already there. It was like it's like the seeds were already planted. They were just waiting for the opportunity. And and that's why I'm saying about indigenous young people. The opportunity we're waiting for. And sometimes you see it. But but it's the the the the notion that people think that we're just sleeping. or that we're not doing anything, like that we're we're living off the government, like that we're s we we can give you spiritual animals, we have we have magical powers. Like like if you wanna y look at that look at that and and stay sleeping. While here I am getting an education and doing my podcast and it trying to educate people about what it's like to be Indigenous today as an elder from the time I was a child and to understand that I'm just one person. There are so many the potential, the intelligence of the amount of indigenous people that I've met I'm very grateful. I'm very grateful I've met I've met such beautiful people. And and and again too, if if I had ever been ashamed about being indigenous, I you know, that's the reality of it. Our young people need need the the strength we carry. The strength we c have carried because our ancestors gave up their lives for us. Our ancestors didn't have those opportunities and and for me, whatever opportunity I've been given that I've taken advantage of, that I have the ability at seventy-four to create a podcast, to do my blogs, to try and get people to be aware, young people to be aware of what systemic racism looks like. Marina Crane (01:21:06.89) And to and to basically say, you don't have the ability to tell me to check myself. You don't. You just do not understand exactly the gravity of what is happening in the world today if you think that about indigenous people or people of color. That's just my opinion.