Governments used policy to influence family structures, identity, and gender roles

To make the tone more concise and balanced, focus on three changes: Replace emotionally charged conclusions with observations. Reduce repetition and qualifiers ("like I said," "understand this," "the reality of it is"). Separate personal experience from broader historical claims. Here are examples of revisions: Original This is the trauma of Indian residential schools. So this isn't in the twenties or thirties. This is for me I'm stepping a couple of decades ahead in like after World War Two. So but there is there is the ripple effect of of what Hitler did within Germany when it came to human sexuality and and how women were treated is is paral paramount into how indigenous women under the Indian Act were treated. Revised The historical context is different, but I see parallels in how governments used policy to influence family structures, identity, and gender roles. In my view, some of those dynamics can also be observed in the treatment of Indigenous women under the Indian Act. Original Like I said, it was encouraged in indigenous communities for for extramarital affairs. Revised In my experience, some community leaders tolerated or overlooked extramarital relationships, particularly during periods of significant social change. Original The women were suffering. Revised In many cases, women bore a disproportionate share of the social and economic consequences. Original It was prime pickings when it came to leadership and what leadership could do. Revised The circumstances created opportunities for some leaders to exercise significant influence over people's lives. Original The majority of people who are non-indigenous still preach the law of their savages. Revised Negative stereotypes about Indigenous people continue to influence public attitudes and policy discussions. Original Nathan Chasinghorse perceived himself as being single and the ideal person for every indigenous woman. Revised In my opinion, Nathan Chasing Horse cultivated a public image that contributed to his influence within certain circles. Original All religions oppress women. Revised I believe some religious institutions have historically contributed to restrictions on women's autonomy, although experiences vary across traditions and communities. Original There are some things that are unforgivable. Revised There are harms that, in my view, require accountability and should not be minimized or dismissed. Suggested overall tone Instead of: "This is what happened." Use: "This is how I interpret these events." Instead of: "Everyone knew." Use: "Many people I knew believed." Instead of: "This proves." Use: "This suggests." Instead of: "The reality is." Use: "In my experience." These changes preserve Marina's perspective while making the podcast sound more measured, credible, and accessible to listeners who may not already share her conclusions. The result is a stronger presentation because the audience is invited to consider the evidence rather than being told what to think. Provide your feedback on BizChat You said: Format it as a polished script Copilot said: Below is a more polished, balanced, and concise podcast script that preserves Marina's voice while improving flow, structure, and neutrality. Podcast Script Opening Good morning. It's September 24th, and this is Marina Crane. Today I'd like to explore a topic that connects history, identity, sexuality, and the lasting effects of trauma. I'll begin with a TikTok from a scholar of Nazism and the Holocaust who discusses how the Nazi regime viewed sexuality and family life. As I listen to his analysis, I'm struck by some parallels in how governments and institutions have attempted to influence identity, relationships, and family structures. While the historical contexts are very different, I think these comparisons can help us better understand the long-term impact of policies that affect communities and individual lives. I'll play portions of the video and share some reflections along the way. Personal Context Before we begin, I want to acknowledge my own perspective. Both of my parents attended Indian Residential Schools, as did my grandmother. My understanding of these issues comes not only from historical research but also from family experience and from conversations within Indigenous communities throughout my life. One thing I've often reflected on is the role women play in preserving language, culture, and identity. Colonial policies, including provisions of the Indian Act, disrupted many traditional family and community structures. Those disruptions continue to affect Indigenous communities today. Response to the TikTok The speaker explains that Nazi Germany did not entirely embrace either traditional Christian views of sexuality or more modern social attitudes of the time. Instead, the regime promoted policies intended to increase the reproduction of those it considered racially desirable. What interests me is not simply the history itself, but how governments can use social policy to influence intimate areas of human life, including marriage, family, and reproduction. When I think about Indigenous communities, I see a different historical context, but I also see examples of government policies shaping personal decisions and family relationships. For example, under earlier versions of the Indian Act, an Indigenous woman who married a non-Indigenous man could lose her status, while a non-Indigenous woman who married an Indigenous man could gain status. These policies created lasting inequalities and had profound effects on families and communities. Women, Status, and Community In my experience, many Indigenous women became highly aware of how marriage could affect their legal status, cultural connections, and community belonging. Some women chose not to marry legally. Others found ways to maintain connections to their communities despite policies that limited their rights and autonomy. I view many of these decisions as forms of resilience. Women were navigating systems that often gave them limited control over housing, resources, and family life. It's important to recognize that these experiences were not universal. Different communities responded differently, and individual experiences varied. However, the broader impact of colonial policy on Indigenous women remains an important part of our history. Residential Schools and Intergenerational Trauma When we discuss these issues, we cannot separate them from the legacy of Residential Schools. Survivors often returned home carrying immense trauma, shame, and disconnection from family, language, and culture. Many were denied opportunities to develop healthy models of parenting, relationships, and community leadership. These impacts did not end when the schools closed. Today we continue to see consequences in areas such as mental health, addiction, family violence, child welfare involvement, and community wellbeing. Recognizing these realities is not about assigning blame. It's about understanding how historical policies continue to shape present-day outcomes. Accountability and Healing Another theme that often arises in my work is accountability. I believe healing requires honesty. There are harms that cannot simply be dismissed by saying they happened long ago. Acknowledging those harms does not mean remaining trapped in the past. It means understanding how the past continues to affect people today. At the same time, accountability must be balanced with compassion. Many individuals carrying trauma are themselves survivors of systems that harmed them. The challenge is finding ways to support healing without ignoring responsibility. Healthy Human Sexuality When I speak about sexuality, I'm ultimately speaking about respect, consent, dignity, and wellbeing. Healthy sexuality is not simply about physical relationships. It involves self-respect, emotional health, mutual care, and personal autonomy. For some people, their path involves marriage and family. For others, it may not. What matters most is that individuals have the freedom to make those choices without coercion, shame, or discrimination. Mental Health and Community Wellbeing Mental health remains one of the most important issues facing many communities. Trauma that goes unaddressed can become normalized across generations. It can influence how people view themselves, how they treat others, and how communities function. This is why open conversations matter. We cannot address problems we are unwilling to talk about. We cannot build healthier futures without acknowledging difficult histories. Closing Reflection As I listened to this discussion about Nazi Germany, what stood out to me was not the difference between one society and another, but the broader lesson that power can shape personal lives in profound ways. Whether we're talking about governments, religious institutions, community leaders, or social norms, we should always be willing to ask how those systems affect people's freedom, dignity, and wellbeing. My hope is that these conversations encourage greater understanding, especially around the legacy of Residential Schools, the experiences of Indigenous women, and the importance of mental health and healing. Thank you for listening today. I appreciate your time, your thoughts, and your willingness to engage with these difficult subjects. Take care of yourselves, and have a good day.

Marina Crane (00:01.092) good morning. September twenty fourth. this is Marina Crane. The podcast. Again, we're gonna talk about sex. Sexy things. What curio what curiosity we have as human beings. This fellow that I'm going to play his his TikTok, is supposedly an expert in sex in Nazi Germany. And his handle is J-O-N-S-T-E-R T R U C K. And he'll explain who he is. And I'm going to like play some, play it back and do like I'm gonna try and debrief or d dissect some of what he's saying as we go along and then I'll play it back to you without interruption and then sort of have a little discussion on it. But it has something to do with with the evolution or the transition for indigenous people. Understand this. My parents went to Indian residential school and the same with my grandmother. So there's like one, two generations of Indian residential school by the time I went. now understand this in northern communities like the Inuit in the Northwest Territories, their parents would have been first generation. So a lot of things that hap that have happened with Inuit people in terms of cult loss of language or culture i isn't as extreme as it took place in the southern provinces. like like I said, even within Sutina, how many people are you know rarely speak the language. And and a lot of it too, I think, has to do with just the way men perceived women because I don't think the whole nature of how important women are in terms of teaching their children their language Marina Crane (01:58.74) as well as like embracing the fact that they're indigenous and it is a language. They were more concerned about the purity of of like the the original people. And and that's the scary part of it is because there are parallels into why things were so juicy or fresh for someone like Nathan Chasing horse to come in and swoop in and and just do harm to indigenous children. And and anyway, listen to this about Nazi Germany and we'll have a discussion. I don't think you're quite ready to learn how the Nazis viewed sex in the Third Reich. Let me explain. Hey, I'm Bach, I'm a scholar of Nazism and the Holocaust. If that sounds like something you want to learn about, hit those buttons so the algorithm brings you back. Let's get into it. The world of Germany, particularly urban Germany in the 1930s, was one that was experiencing the roaring twenties, and that means flapper dresses, more open sexual relationships between people, early flirting with a queer scene and a gay bar nightlife scene, and along with this is the friction between. This up-and-coming youth movement that is looking to explore all the good things in life after getting out of the trauma of World War I back. See, this is the trauma of Indian residential schools. So this isn't in the twenties or thirties. This is for me I'm stepping a couple of decades ahead in like after World War Two. So but there is there is the ripple effect of of what Hitler did within Germany when it came to human sexuality and and how women were treated is is paral paramount into how indigenous women under the Indian Act were treated. And again Marina Crane (03:41.084) This is just my opinion and you're welcome to critique it. Bashing up against a more traditional and religiously grounded view of sex and sexuality. Now one might think that the Nazis would engage with the more traditional view of sex and sexuality, what with all the appeals to tradition in their rhetoric. But in fact, they don't. The Nazis strike this bizarre third position that doesn't align with either the more modern and progressive view of sex and sexuality or the traditional view. Heinrich Himmler was deeply concerned about the sexual moderation preferred by German Protestant Christians, and believed that it was damaging to the bulk or the true people, that they weren't reproducing as much as absolutely possible. This means that he put forward a concerted effort inside his SS to detonate Christian moral standards around sex and replace them with one of maximum promiscuity so long as it was between Ethnic Germans. Himmler himself Okay so for indigenous women like I said the whole reality of it's like a white woman could marry an indigenous man and gain status as an indigenous woman. All of a sudden like she changes her color. Whereas an indigenous woman who's raised in an indigenous community under the Indian Act, if she married a non-Indigenous person, a white man, she would lose her status, she would lose her community, she would lose connection to her family, they'd basically just kick her out of the household, out of the out of the the community, the actual community where indigenous people had to have a script or like they had to have permission by the Indian agent to leave. Marina Crane (05:21.716) So so of course there's a lot of indigenous women who lost their status. and so you know, you want to learn about that? Read up about Bill S six two. Okay, or Bill S two. Yeah, Bill S two, sorry. Okay, so understand this too, like the morality of it is like I said, the white woman marries indigenous man, she gets this status on top of that being white privileged. Again, what is the privilege when you have in the seventies white women couldn't own a credit card or a house? Okay, so but believe me, like the indigenous woman had it worse. Okay, but then so for you have the white woman on top of the echelon, then you have the indigenous man who married the white woman, who has gained his status in this c caste system. Now from there you have women, indigenous women who married into the communities who who were who married indigenous men and or else who just lived common law. Now understand this too, this whole notion of religiosity, because because again, there was different And freedom happening, okay, the birth control, the flower movement, all this was happening. And here our leadership wondering, my goodness, you know, our population is depleted, you know, especially small communities like my community. And understand this too, there were a lot of indigenous children who died in those Indian residential schools. So the population was being depleted as well. So, okay, so you have, like I said, the white woman, the indigenous man, then you have the indigenous woman who came into our communities. and had indigenous men as partners. Marina Crane (07:01.056) Now they so they'd have children and it didn't matter if they weren't married. Of course there was a push by the older people to make sure that they did get married, but it wasn't totally forcible. And then you had women who who were from the community who had indigenous male partners from other communities who chose not to marry them because even marrying an indigenous man would also allow her to lose her culture and her language. Once she moved and was forced to live in his community. Understand, forced to live in his community. So, in other words, the language was being dis dissipated or d dismissed because the community that she'd be moving into would totally absorb her, and she would either learn Cree, Blackfoot, Matech, Navajo, whatever the language was, because again, the shift of the woman losing her matriarchal status within her community. Of origin was severed. Okay, so that's the lead the bottom line is women my age knew this. in the sixties and seventies because the majority of us weren't going to Indian residential schools and being indoctrinated into whatever religious Catholicism, pro Protestantism, whatever religion that oppresses and all religions oppress women, okay? So I'm just telling it the way it is, in my opinion. But the reality of it is like a lot of women chose not to legally get married. And so the leadership allowed this promiscuity. They allowed a lot of women to to have children and so that the children would have status. In other words, there was a loophole in the Indian Act where they as much as they wanted to cut off, cut off and end the Indian Act and Marina Crane (08:56.094) in the population of indigenous people, they knew that they could do this through their women. But i in a silent protest, hello, a lot of the Indian women my age chose to just have children so their children could still remain on our our membership roles. And so but again to the the council allowed it and allowed a lot of the promiscuity to happen within the communities as long as the women, like as in Nazi Germany, as long as the women were were sexually active with other indigenous people from within the community. So leadership had a great, great control over that. As well as if you're a single mom and you're working under the nation in an administrative office, the leadership has total control over your job and even if you get a house. Like I said, in my early 20s when I tried to get a daycare and also a detox treatment center, these two buildings, money Came in renovations each time. I wanted to be the janitor. Again, I'm a single indigenous woman being governed by men. They created a policy that any single woman under the 55 and under could not apply for housing if she didn't have children. So the promotion of childbearing women, Indigenous women, was encouraged by leadership. And and so a lot of women decided not to to legally marry. Which which gave a really difficult situation for the province because the province had jurisdiction over child and family, the same with the federal government, because again, this Bill S six two is starting to give us sovereignty over our children. Okay, so what does it have to do with single women and choosing not to be married? Well, if i again, if you don't apply for child support or you know, you're dependent on the chief and counsel if they decide that you know you're worthy of getting a house because again in my community we we don't own our homes. It's it's based on leadership. Marina Crane (11:10.24) So the majority of women were subjected to the control of leadership, men subjected to the leadership of men. So so f and I and again, tragically, this is twenty twenty six and in the past, from I think twenty twenty to twenty twenty six, like I said, I worked with this young woman. She had five children, they were apprehended, she was pregnant. I worked with her all summer and then in the fall she gave birth lost total track of her. And then she died within two months. And the and I found out she gave birth and never saw her newborn baby 'cause they just took the baby away from her. Died from a broken heart. All her children were in foster care. So because we don't have jurisdiction over our child and family, that means we can't even establish a group home or a or a shel group shelters for children or even like birthing centers for for women. A a lot of the vulnerability of indigenous women Eva mena horses. Marina Crane (12:18.35) Sorry. Marina Crane (12:23.36) I just I'm sorry that that happened. I had hoped she wouldn't have called, but she did. So anyway, getting back to this whole notion of like again, we're talking in the seventies, so this is history. And and the fact that like I said, all this stuff was set up like it was prime pickings when it came to leadership and what leadership could do. to to help women advance and again too even if women were misogynist it was basically encouraged. So again, you gotta listen to how Hitler handled this, how he handled women. And the the whole thing is like I know when I talk about promiscuity and like a woman choosing not to get married women did get married, but usually after they had children, so their children were s were s didn't ha weren't subjected to the rules under the Indian Act. Again at a big sacrifice, at a big sacrifice because you know, they ha we had no jurisdiction we still don't have jurisdiction over our children. And and so like I said, even in the reserve east of us, I think fourteen thousand children are in the foster system in Calgary. And even then too, when people want to adopt in Calgary, the majority of the adoption pool are indigenous children. In twenty twenty six. And again I say because we do not have sovereignty over Our children, it's the province and the federal government who make these decisions for us. And as far as I understand, women, Indigenous women, we've been fighting for against this our entire lives by choosing to raise our children on our own and and and bearing witness to the injustice. Marina Crane (14:17.986) that a lot of white women don't understand or a lot of immigrants don't understand because it has to do with the way people have seen us as well as understand this, like I said, there was this revolution where there was no more Indian residential schools in the in the sense they were still operating, I think, until the nineteen nineties. But understand this, there were a couple of generations of this happening where where you didn't have access you didn't have any say over your your sexual Y your your sexuality. It was all based on on the province and the federal government. So when when the sexual revolution came out in in the sixties and seventies amongst indigenous people and there were more women choosing not to be married, legally married, this this left leadership in a quandary. But again too, who was at the bottom? It was the indigenous women who grew up in these communities because they were the last. That we are the last. Like the lateral violence I've s seen and I've had to live through, not because of jealousy of women marrying into the community to my my my brothers or my cousins. No, it has to do with the lack of of of resources that that my sisters or myself or my cousins didn't have access to. And if you did have access to it as a as an indigenous woman, it's because your relative was on council. So all these things that people are in denial of and You know, just say, no, Marina, that's her opinion, like she's this bitter, resentful elder. No, no, no. I enjoy my life. And like I said in a previous podcast, yes, I understand that mental attitude when I have a cousin say, Marina, don't do it. Do what? Kill yourself And then the other t like the that was the first strike. The second strike was her saying, Marina, take the pill now. Take it now, end your life now. Marina Crane (16:23.278) When I talk about indigenous women and misogyny and lateral violence and just the attitude towards other women, especially when women have succeeded in becoming chiefs and counselors, you know, doctors, lawyers, you name it, there are still a group of indigenous women who have all this resentment only because of their own opinion of themselves or the lack of respect they have for themselves. That's my opinion. So I'll lit I'll go on with this what this fellow is talking about in him himbur himself regularly Ulf regularly cheated on his wife, and cheating on your spouse was encouraged inside the SS as long as you were doing it with German women to reproduce German children. But this is more than just a convenient excuse for Himmler to sleep around. Instead, it's a complex set of social policies that on their face seem like they would be quite beneficial for the people who engage with them, and then once you scratch the surface just a bit, you realize it's this topsy turvy nightmare world instead. Take the leave See, even like like even in the seventies. when I was in the United States, National Congress of American Indian Conference, doctors, lawyers, Indian chiefs, all gathering, and they're men. And what are they doing being promiscuous with indigenous women? Now even in our own communities like like my brothers are not are not they're not yeah they they participated they participated in in in infidelity And and it was encouraged. It was encouraged and you know, as long as it was consensual, it was encouraged. but again too it it comes at a price. And and that's why I'm trying to dissect dissect and reiterate the the need to understand healthy human sexuality and how it plays on our mental health and and whether or not we want to admit it as women, our attitudes towards other women. Marina Crane (18:23.466) Okay, so again it was encouraged. Like I said, it was encouraged in indigenous communities for for extramarital affairs. And I saw that in Salt Lake City. I saw these educated men you know, it was it was like acceptable. But even too within within my own community And how this whole notion of purity and piety, like the more you appeared as a male leader, the more kudos and votes you got. Yet who was suffering? The women. Because it's the women who grew up here that have to live with this extra privilege that our brothers and our uncles and our aunt like our unc like the men had that we didn't have. Like some men married many women who came into our community. And so they would get like again on the castle. system they would get have more privilege than than women who are like you know, our own their own sisters. You know I buried a lot of women who chose not to legally get married and their children struggled. And and there's still a legacy of that in my community. So when I talk about healthy human sexuality and the need for women to, you know, really take a look at what is it that we're we're giving up and why why is it s become such a breeding ground for for the abuse of of children and women, the most vulnerable. it's because it's because of this caste system. similar to what was happening in Nazi Germany in the thirties and forties, and again, like I'm using this as an example so that you understand the complexities of what I'm talking about. Marina Crane (20:13.368) Liebensborn program that, on its face, provided childcare classes, communal homes for single mothers, and all sorts of material practical benefits for women who had kids in Germany. That was also a sex cult that the SS would send SS men to so that they could make more German children with the women in the Liebensborn program. Or the marriage loans of the Strength Through Joy program, where new couples and new parents could apply for state-backed loans that would help them buy furniture and stuff for their baby, which again sounds all Also on the surface. When you scratch it just a little bit, you realize that these marriage loans were only for German couples that were German enough who did not bear disabled children, did not bear interracial children, and also the money that provided these programs was going to be made up by exterminating people in Poland and using the Okay, understand this too. Like when I said when it came to indigenous women, it was one thing for an indigenous man to marry a white woman. totally acceptable, totally honored. But for an indigenous woman to have children If an indigenous woman was a prostitute and had had a white child, a mixed breed child, a Metis child, it it was shunned upon because it wasn't considered pure. And and so a lot of the women chose like to have and again the the reality of it is like the chief and counsel and men couldn't do a damn thing about it because the woman had status, and this was the only way her child, if her child was not the father was was not from our community, the child would still have status. And and so that's how women fought against the system, even within their own family structures, their own brothers, their own fathers, their own uncles and grandfathers. So so you know, kudos to a lot of women who who spoke their language and chose to stay within the communities, d despite all this lateral violence and misogyny towards them. And again, this is these are women who grew up in Marina Crane (22:19.736) community and it's and it's doctor it's it's it's documented. You know, we have elder women like my mom's age who would be probably be a hundred now who who would talk about that, like would talk about their daughters who grew up here. And and yet again, how does it plague? How what's the underbelly of it? Because you have you have a dual a dual duality, male and female. And again to that duality, what happens to gender? Again, if you're two spirited and you're you're you're not heterosexual, then then you get this look it's absurd. Like I said, my cousin as I was talking to her, she was talking to her granddaughter and the granddaughter says, Marina, don't listen to her and I said, you know, there you know, it doesn't matter what gender you are, I still appreciate you know, n I would never disown you. because again, what what is what why are women thinking That that in order to be normal and be perceived as having accepted or being accepted in a community is that you're heterosexual. And a lot of, I think, too, the problem too that was happening in my community is even like I said, we have the caste system. Like again, white women, indigenous men, and then indigenous women who married in, and then women who grew up here who chose not to get married, and then you've got even lower women like myself who chose not to. to get married or have children. Because under the pecking order, I'm not eligible for anything. And then it's the women who grew up here who had children who weren't eligible for even housing. Then you have women who married in who automatically get housing. Or at that same status too, if you're a woman and your relative is in council, you you would get access to housing and other privileges. So it so it's not a matter of what you know, it's who you know. So again, the problem too is the women who married in from other first na other indigenous communities who gained status within the community when their marriage broke up because again, having affairs and Marina Crane (24:35.97) with different women and your married was allowed. A lot of women divorced and a lot of there was a lot of family violence in in terms of women getting getting beaten up. So when they chose to leave their their the husbands they married from the men who were from my community, these women chose not to get married or f or, you know, find a relationship. They chose that same mantle that indigenous women who grew up here our whole lives chose not to get married and not to not to engage and if we were going to engage in in sexuality that it would be on our terms and knowing that the man from whichever community they're from would be would be subjected to our our rules, not not his rules. And so a lot of single a lot of divorced women who married in chose that single life and cho chose not to ever remarry and and by remarrying they may even lose their status within the community. So again, they took on the even though they had children, they took on that role similar to women who've been who grew up here our entire lives. Now that that's the system that was so freshly in like how it was enabled in terms of who has the top priority. A land to cover the state's debts. Strangest of all was Adolf Hitler himself, who had a lot of troubled relationships in his teens and early twenties, but maintained that he was a single and eligible bachelor because he wanted German women to see him as sexually available for them, that he was the husband to every German woman. And I mean, you know, I guess thank you so much for So again, Nathan Chasinghorse. perceived himself as being single and the ideal person for every indigenous woman. Marina Crane (26:36.694) And as long as he didn't marry these his the cult following the the young teen brides, you know, he'd give them their name, but legally never married them. It was the opportunity for people to say, well, no, he's still eligible, he's still available, I can still still get this man. And again, it's similar to women who get involved with married men. They're they're not looking at the man himself. They're looking at the woman who actually married the person. So so of course it's important for Nathan Chasing horse to have different types of women that were appealing to other women to be jealous of. And somebody made a comment to me about, well his these women were good looking, and I said no. Like prior to 2006, yes. After that, I you know the the women who followed him in his cult in my opinion, were not beautiful women. Like there there were other women prior who just refused to participate in this whole notion of him being the single idealized male version of a traditional dancer, spiritual leader, the ideal utopian. Again, w what's the difference between him and Hitler? The difference is Nathan Chasing horses serving time. for the rest of his life in in a penitentiary for all the hor horrific things he did. Now there's just one more that I wanted to play out because like I know it sounds a bit tacky and like discombobulated in the sense of like how can women live like this? No, it's not how, it's p because we were forced to. We're we we're a third for a fourth world within the third world structure. Marina Crane (28:38.412) And the laws that that govern us govern our brothers, like in terms of gender. We've come a long way, but we still have a lot of work to do. We have a lot of work to do in protecting our children and and having people realize like we're not uncouth, we're not savages. And the majority of people who are non-indigenous still preach the law of their savages. Move away from your community. Come to a better life we have to give you. And what does that do? That has to do with foster care and adoption? Look at the mess. All these people like I I had friends in Utah who were raised in Mormonism and then wanted to find their natural parents and just like right now they work with indigenous people and they're they still have contact with their adoptive parents. But a lot of times it's really difficult for indigenous people within family structures who are still ashamed of the poverty they grew up in. But yet in my opinion, it's made me who I am today. And I'm grateful I've never been in the foster care system. I'm grateful that I've never been ashamed of being indigenous. However, I was ashamed of seeing my father intoxicated. I was ashamed of his behavior and his lifestyle. And the majority of my life I've tried to understand why he behaved the way he did. Or even with my mother, why she s chose to be in such a violent relationship. And other women. But it but it's so complex. It's so complex and like I said, even today as an elder, having another elder woman coach me to kill myself. Like it it's it's such a twisted way of trying to understand why people aren't looking after their mental health. Marina Crane (30:39.028) And and why it's so important to have some sort of discourse about the repercussions of Indian residential school and and why it's important to not deny all all the trauma that happened within those within those institutions and and the result of it, the aftermath of it. And and how, you know, elders in their seventies, you know, came together and wanted to create a program, a treatment program for our own people. And then here we have this Daniel Smith in Alberta closing off all this these programs because the federal government gave it to the province to handle and look at what a mess she's made. After all those decades of indigenous people working under the federal guidelines of of programming, like really the federal government did this and created, they created a Daniel Smith Listen to this now. This is from Muskeg Tea with Chantel LG. and this guy's name is Wy Wiley. I know him. Really, when the residential school survivors started coming home, when the residential schools started coming home in mass in the seventies, you know, the eighties and the nineties, you know, you had a group of people that were completely disconnected that were Full of shame, that were abused. A lot of them didn't want to be indigenous anymore. Jesus beat that out of them. The priest beat that out of them. You had this whole group of people who were searching for an identity, who were searching for their place in the world while facing continued racism. Because the child welfare system today actually, right now, has more indigenous children in it than ever were in the residential schools. So you see, they just continued the genocide. People need understand that residential schools were a hundred percent legal. This was a legal genocide. The child welfare system is a legal entity. The child welfare system was actually created in response to the ending of the residential school era. It was actually started in Ontario. There were seven nuns who figured out that they could sell indigenous babies. This started the 60s scoop. Marina Crane (32:58.296) Well really when the residential school survivors started coming home when the residential schools started coming home en masse in the seventies, you know, the eighties and the nineties, you know, you had a group of people that were completely disconnected that were full of shame. And so, you know, I talk about this disconnection, this full of shame, this whole notion that like even when I talk to other indigenous people and I and I try to s say only three years ago the federal government recognized the Sioux tribes and inuit and the métis as indigenous. So all the literature when it comes to people designating people as okay the Sioux, the Inuit and the Metis, under the under the the Canadian government, they weren't recognized as indigenous people. So the language and even how we interpret and understand people, we have to define it clearly. So that's why like when I say don't say indigenous people and Metis or don't say indigenous people and Inuit. don't say Indigenous people and the Sioux people. We're all indigenous. Just say indigenous and then and then if people want to clarify what part of indigenity are you talking about, then we can talk about the d the diversity with within that whole construct of the word indigenous. So it's it's a little more complicated and I think that's probably why a lot of people get away with pretending to be indigenous. Because, you know It you know, really like I said, the only other people that have been tested and tested are the Cherokee Nation in the United States. 'Cause there have been so many thousands of people and again it has to do with the history, the romanticizing, the noble savage, the Hollywood Indian. the r you know, the Indian princess. I've dunno how many times when I say who my grandfather is, they say they all demonically think I'm this Indian princess. I'm going, No, take that out of the equation. You don't I like I I was raised in poverty. How many how many Indian princesses have been raised in poverty? You look at Pocahontas and she was trafficked like get your mind out of that fucking gutter. Sorry, I'm using the words because what the hell? You know, human trafficking Marina Crane (35:14.592) Like like okay, that's it. Don't don't try and color code it within, you know, this princess concept because it's it's the women and the children who are still fighting for their identity that these pretendians you know, are poo pooing, which to me, you know, I I I have very little patience with. I I here we go with this one here. Same same thing, this musk musk muscake tea with Chantel and she's talking with this young indigenous lawyer I think the people that were involved know what truly happened, like the survivors, the priests, the nuns, the staff, the nurses, and the lawyers who had done the interviews, who have done the files and the claims. When I was a summer student for Eleanor Sunchild, the Sunshild Law, she had me read about a hundred claims from the Battleford area. And it was eye-opening for me because I knew my mom read went to residential school, but I didn't know what happened, like what really happened in detail. And so that really like blew my mind because I was like, my God, like it was like worse than it's worse than people know. And it's such a pattern. And it was so rampant. So all of our families, all First Nations in the country, we've all been up touched in some way by the legacy of residential schools. And we see that with the addictions, homelessness, the foster care system. And so If you ask any indigenous person, like we all have some kind of impact in our lives, and so it's really tough. And it's important to uncover that truth, even though it's uncomfortable. There's a lot that still needs to be brought to light. I was listening to a podcast that you did with two crees and a pod. In that episode, you talked about the Canadian government hired the most evilist priests and nuns to run these institutions and that it was the largest Marina Crane (37:15.308) Sex trafficking ring to this date, right? So if that doesn't make somebody angry, then you're numb from the brain down. No, I'm kidding. But honestly though, right? Both my sides of my family, we've been impacted by the residential school system. I still see it within my own family, I see it in our communities, I see it in the work that I do professionally. We often talk about reconciliation without fully talking about the truth, as you mentioned, that has to come first. what truths do you believe Canadians still struggle to acknowledge? Well, first and foremost, they still don't believe that there are these unmarked burials across the country. There's a big push of residential school denialism, and so it's It's all part of like this kind of right-wing ideology where they really want to fight anything that goes against their views. And it's really unfortunate because unless we can like really agree on those truths, then we're going to be set back. And unfortunately, that's just the reality of how it is right now. And so I think that there's so much truth that needs to be shared about the stories and what our people truly went through, what our kids went through, because it makes you understand. Like why there's so much racism and why indigenous peoples face so much social issues today. Because it's so easy to point fingers and blame the Indian and say that they're the drunks, they're corrupt, they're criminals and not be able to see what truly happened. They were tortured their entire lives as children and then their roles of being mothers and fathers and grandparents were taken from them. They never learned those basic roles of the family. And so they were sent home and all of these family dynamics were not there. Only the peak So again, the insight of it all. And and that's why like when I talk about the choice of my not being sexually active is because of the whole violence around the choice to be sexually active because it it has to do with with the the like he's like this young man said, the largest human trafficking that was sanctioned by the government, by the most horrible religious people. Marina Crane (39:26.444) You know, when when I talk to my cousin and I said, you know, I've I've made my choice. It's gonna go on fifty years and she's made comments and again I'm not talking to her now. You know, I've learned my lesson. But but that's a that's that's the battle I have with other indigenous elderly women. When I say to her, I made these choices and she says, Aren't you afraid people aren't gonna believe you? I'm going it doesn't matter if people believe me or not. It's like if I said I was a lesbian and and people chose not to respect me. It doesn't matter that that's my life. So I I and I try to get people to understand this, that that it's a choice. It for me it's a choice. And for some people who who are two spirited, it's not a choice. They are who they are. But in terms of sexuality and when I say if if I had chosen to be sexually active, I could I could have been in a really violent relationship. and again too, when when there's so much denialism, yes, it's one thing, you know, for people to say, Yeah, my parents went to residential school. But it's the religiosity of the shame and the guilt of of trying to be a Puritan. So so for my cousin to say, well you're you're you know, you've I said I I chose this and I said I out of the eight billion people, the reality of w what people choose and I'll choose people choose to live zer live their lives. I said, I know I'm a a rare breed. I know. but but there've been so many people in history who who chose to live a certain life other than being heterosexual or bisexual or whatever gender. Like it it's just accepting and living the best life we can live. And for my second for my cousin to say, Well Marina, you're like a nun and I'm going, No The choice had nothing do with religion. See, and the fact that this young man is talking about the large like the largest tr human trafficking that that was established by these these pe these religious people who who governed these Indian residential schools. Now understand, even within my own family, like with the cults within cults, how we were so easily and vulnerable to join cults, all under the guise of white people. Marina Crane (41:54.164) and and for these white men to take advantage of my brothers like like like trafficked. And you know, I I mean I I know something happened, but I was a child. And and so a lot of what I advocate for, I'm hoping like in terms of children when they start talking and not having any false memory is the reality that these things happen to children and they witness. They bore witness to this. And the reality of it is a lot of the s the the re survivors like my mother and my grandmother's age never spoke about it. but for me, in my podcast and when I talk about the realities of what human trafficking is and the attitude that we as ourselves have towards other human beings i in the sense of like what is forgivable and what isn't forgivable. And why is it that so many people indigenous people choose to believe that things that Nathan Chasing Horse did are forgivable. And and why is it that so many people because I supported my brother's children that I that I was forgiving my brother for what he did in like the whole reality of of the balance, the mental health balance of of just helping to have my own nieces and nephews understand What my brother did was unforgivable. What Nathan Chasinghorse did was unforgivable. And and if you think they're forgivable, or you even think that I forgave, that's because you're still in that genre of Indian residential school mentality. Because the whole religiosity of it is like, forgive. Get on with your life. That was in the past. No, there are some things that in our past that are unforgivable. There are some things in our past that and how we hold people accountable, whether or not they even want to admit it. You my confronting my cousin and saying what you're saying to me in coaching me to kill myself is illegal. So a lot of times too when I think people deny the sexuality of their children, they're too if they're too spirited, what what what are they denying them? The freedom the freedom for them to to live their lives. Marina Crane (44:16.36) and and for for that the repercussions of shame and guilt and poverty to be taken and stripped from your the very embrace of your parents and and to live in fear. My mother lived in fear from the time she was five years old until she was sixteen. And and the reality of the things that she encountered in those Indian residential schools Like we can we can do a whole story on on ghosts and demons and all this. My my mother and her childhood friend, they're both deceased now. But the thing is like in indigenous communities, when I say collective and holistic of approach, my mother's best friend that she went to Indian residential school with, their parents, my grandmother and th the other grandmother were best friends too as children. So, you know, it it was nice to know that my mum's mum, my grandmother, and my mum's best friend's mother were best friends, and so were my mum and her friend. And they'd sit, you know, in the dorms on these rickety old beds, putting cloth curls in their hair, talking like l what little girls talk about, and all the lights are out and all the matrons have, you know, put the all the kids to sleep. You know, here are the whisperings of these kids. you know, talking and you know, just being friends to each other, curling each other's hair. Then all of a sudden the bed starts shaking. And they look under the bed to see if there's a child there, you know, shaking their bed. Nothing. Nobody. Okay, so so a lot of times when I do talk about healthy human sexuality and I try to talk about the the psychology of it in in terms of the white perspective, in terms of how psychology sees things. There's a huge great mystery out there. And a lot of people, especially forensic psychologists, do not want to even even embrace that concept of parapsychology. Marina Crane (46:42.221) You constantly be asking for protective, reflective, healing energy so that the influences of people who who may not even know that they're consciously praying bad for us because they're so conditioned to think that this is a part of their strategy, it's survival. And the legacy of Indian residential school and just how pervasive it is in jealousy towards anybody who becomes academic. Anybody who chooses a different lifestyle. Anyone who's perceived as being something other than. And and I'm grateful like that like I've been talking and to people and in in some ways too, even decades later, like like my sister when she went to our brother in law's funeral and the people there were asking about me and I hadn't even seen them for decades, and it gives me some self reflection that that even when I was younger, I did have a story, I did have a narrative. And even as far back as high school, my my friend Lori McLeod, she was she was when she was born, her mother has passed away as well. but when when she was born she developed she had this eye disease and she only had sight for two weeks of her life. The rest of her life she was totally blind. and We used to talk. And I always would say, you know, my friend Laurie was colour blind because, you know, for a blind person, never understood colour of people's the you know, a person's skin color. never saw me like my features, my indigenous features, nothing like that. And the fact that I I like I said, you can close your eyes and you can't even tell that I'm indigenous because of the way I speak and you know, like a the accent or non accent I have I don't have. But Lori, from high school into college and years later we made connection. And I think Creator has has had that will, somehow, someplace, blessing me. And Laurie had said to me, she said, Marina, someday you'll you'll be famous. Now, whether or not that comes to fruition, Marina Crane (49:08.547) the reality of it is a lot of things that have happened in my life, I never thought anything of it. I just I just thought I had a duty to warn people about Nathan Chasing Horse. I I just felt that I had a duty for people to understand that, you know, when when a child when somebody does something unforgivable to a child, that that child can become dangerous to themselves and others. and and that that child could hate themselves so much that they could kill themselves. And and and what does what does having safety and how d how do we how do we create safety for that child to develop so that they they can learn to respect themselves and and honor themselves and live a happy life with with all the unforgivable things that were done to them, horrific things that I can't even comprehend. And I think that's part of my podcast is to let non-Indigenous people know there are things that you in my audience have probably have gone through that ha were so unforgivable, I can't even comprehend those things. My my life and the life I chose has been very, very sheltered in the sense that I have chose to walk a certain way in my life. And the things that I've had to do to survive. aren't as surmountable or egregious as maybe what other people have done just to survive. And and and the the thing about it, the more the more I look at things and understand things. Like I said, I until the pandemic I didn't even know about pornography. And then when I did watch it and and I and I'm looking at the performative part of it and I realize that's not what sex is about. Like for somebody who maybe hasn't understood healthy human sexuality, pornography may seem normal, but the reality of how creator and the grandfathers and grandmothers have have what sexuality is i is nothing like porn. It isn't it it's a very good dance of intimacy. Marina Crane (51:29.015) honorable dance where you know our relatives in in the spirit world are dancing with us. So whatever way I can honor th those who came before me and even when I do talk about protecting yourself, I I'm talking in the sense of the those lessons that somehow come in from the unconscious self from childhood all the way through our lives of people that we've met Who have inspired us to protect ourselves with protective healing energy. It's that energy that they shared with us and still share with us. So, with that, like I I constantly ask Creator to embrace that part within me and within others, so that I'm protected, that my heart, spirit, and soul are protected. And then and then at the same time giving thanks for these th this. this outside influence that that has given me insight to talk about certain subjects that are very triggering to other people. And for me i it's not triggering because I I haven't lived that life. I can I can easily talk about it and and and bounce back and and get give some balance to a person who's struggling right now in my audience. And then I and then I say in in the prayer, release Let go any any self defeating ideology, any self defeating illusion or delusion, idolation with protective reflective healing energy, let it go. Creator and the grandfathers and grandmothers will is being done. In in understanding the nature of the the the dissection or the defragmentation or the r deconstructing of the self and self reflection on a daily basis is important. And no matter how many people we tend to offend or take what we're thinking in a very negative way, not in a negative way, no no because in a person's life and I don't like using the word negative because Marina Crane (53:51.651) The individual who has these self-defeating thoughts don't see them as negative. They think them as very religious, very stoic, very dogmatic, like they there's a reason why they cling to these notions and it's for safety, even though the safety is jeopardizing their mental health. So again, I'm gonna repeat the the the this this fellow in terms of of the la the this Nazi one as a closing as a closing video so that you understand like when when there's a closed community or country or clo anything that has to do with with government or somebody having a say, a municipality, a province, you name it, when there is something that is is being accepted and adapted as new and revolutionary may not always be that new and revolutionary. We're we are still evolving. We we are animals. And for us to think to think that we're aliens from another planet and and that we have the right to hurt other people or have attitude that we're better or superior than other people, who who thinks of these things? Anyway, I'm going to play this Like I said, it might sound like mythologies or or you know, a fairy tale or something, but believe it or not, you have to really question your values and beliefs because some of that is really fragmented. Okay, I'm gonna close this off. Once it's done, I'm just going to end the the podcast. So have a good day and I appreciate I appreciate everything you've done and said. And in closing, I should have s done this before. And I apologize, but here's here's a woman that sent me an email and she says fifty years in human services teaches teaches like she's talking about herself, teaches you that the most dangerous practitioners aren't the ones who look harmful. They are the ones who cloak control in spirituality and trust. I've spent my career working with survivors of exactly that kind of coercive harm dash. Marina Crane (56:19.181) ritual abuse, mind control, extreme complex P T S D, and the dissociation that follows. I she's saying I'm a pioneer in blending holistic therapies with traditional psychotherapy. I train through Harvard teaching hospitals, but I'm also a Reiki master, which I am as well, a kipula yoga teacher, and a Durek practitioner. My two award-winning books of the upcoming anthology of women therapists in healing trauma came out of watching conventional treatments fail people whose traumas traumatic trauma lives lives in their bodies and spirit, not not just the chart. So she was talking about one of the episodes she heard, which I she says drew her like d you drew the line between limerence and erodomania. with the same precision you applied to chronic mistrust and mind control in relationships. That clarity around how coercive wears on friendly face, whether in intimate dynamics or spiritual settings, mirrors exactly what I've seen dismantled lives across five decades of practice. The part about trusting people who aren't therapists or greedy spiritual practic practitioners made me pause. because that's precisely the gap I try to bridge the clinical jug rigor without the ex extra extraction. She says your audience understands healing isn't linear. I d so like I like I said, I get I get emails and even though I don't physically respond to them, I I I do find that that there are people listening to my podcast and and I I I hope like I like I'm grateful that that I have some insight and that my indigenous ways of knowing has meaning and and it comes with a morn a warning too because we are all connected in some ways. So I said like I'm gonna play this this this TikTok from John Johnstertruck. Johnstertruck. Marina Crane (58:44.973) And he again, listen and I'll end up my podcast. Have a good day. I appreciate you all. I don't think you're quite ready to learn how the Nazis viewed sex in the Third Reich. Let me explain. Hey, I'm Bach, I'm a scholar of Nazism and the Holocaust. If that sounds like something you want to learn about, hit those buttons so the algorithm brings you back. Let's get into it. The world of Germany, particularly urban Germany in the nineteen thirties, was one that was experiencing the roaring twenties, and that means flapper dresses More open sexual relationships between people, early flirting with a queer scene and a gay bar nightlife scene, and along with this is the friction between this up-and-coming youth movement that is looking to explore all the good things in life after getting out of the trauma of World War One, bashing up against a more traditional and religiously grounded view of sex and sexuality. Now one might think that the Nazis would engage with the more traditional view of sex and sexuality, what with all the appeals to tradition in their rhetoric. But in fact, they don't. The Nazis strike this bizarre third position that doesn't align with either the more modern and progressive view of sex and sexuality or the traditional view. Heinrich Himmler was deeply concerned about the sexual moderation preferred by German Protestant Christians, and believed that it was damaging to the bulk or the true people, that they weren't reproducing as much as absolutely possible. This means that he put forward a concerted effort inside his SS to detonate Christian moral standards around sex and replace them with one of maximum promiscuity so long as it was between ethnic Germans. Himmler himself regularly cheated on his wife, and cheating on your spouse was encouraged inside the SS as long as you were doing it with German women to reproduce German children. But this is more than just a convenient excuse for Himmler to sleep around. Instead, it's a complex set of social policies that on their face seem like they would be quite beneficial for the people who engage with them, and then once you scratch the surface just a bit, you realize it's this topsy-turvy nightmare world instead. Take the Liebensborn program, that on its face provided childcare classes, communal homes for single mothers, and all sorts of material practical benefits for women who had kids in Germany. That was also a sex cult. Marina Crane (01:00:58.371) That the SS would send SS men to so that they could make more German children with the women in the Liebensborn program. Or the marriage loans of the Strength Through Joy program, where new couples and new parents could apply for state-backed loans that would help them buy furniture and stuff for their baby. Which again sounds awesome on the surface. When you scratch it just a little bit, you realize that these marriage loans were only for German couples that were German enough. Who did not bear disabled children, did not bear interracial children, and also the money that provided these programs was going to be made up by exterminating people in Poland and using the land to cover the state's debts. Strangest of all was Adolf Hitler himself, who had a lot of troubled relationships in his teens and early 20s, but maintained that he was a single and eligible bachelor. Because he wanted German women to see him as sexually available for them, that he was the husband to every German woman. And I mean, you know, I guess thank you so much for sticking around if you would like to support the work that I do.

Personal accountability and self-reflection

This transcript covers a wide range of personal experiences, social commentary, health topics, Indigenous issues, religion, sexuality, and criticism of institutions. Here's a concise summary: Main Themes 1. Personal updates and boundaries Marina opens by discussing everyday events, including retrieving her dogs from a construction site. She explains that while her podcast content is free, she expects payment for interviews, speaking engagements, and professional consultation. She thanks listeners, especially those in the United States, while emphasizing her identity as a Canadian Indigenous elder. 2. Women's health and bodily autonomy She discusses hysterectomies, menopause, reproductive health, and the idea that women should have greater knowledge of and authority over their own bodies. She references commentary suggesting modern health systems can undermine women's confidence in their own bodily knowledge. She also talks about menopause, estrogen, insulin resistance, brain health, and lessons learned while caring for her diabetic mother. 3. Conflict with her cousin A recurring focus is her relationship with a cousin whom she has blocked. She describes incidents where the cousin allegedly made comments about suicide despite Marina not raising the topic. Marina interprets her cousin's behavior through themes of jealousy, unresolved emotional issues, and internalized misogyny. 4. Indigenous perspectives She emphasizes Indigenous sovereignty, traditional knowledge, community-based care, and Indigenous approaches to family and healing. She discusses violence against Indigenous women and references public comments about Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women and Girls (MMIWG). She argues that Indigenous cultural values around reciprocity, community, and responsibility differ from colonial power structures. 5. Child marriage, exploitation, and trafficking Marina discusses child marriage, coercive relationships, and the vulnerability of women and children. She comments extensively on trafficking, pornography, exploitation of minors, and the case of Nathan Chasing Horse. She stresses the distinction between consenting adults and the exploitation of children. 6. Criticism of psychology, medicine, and institutions She references an American Psychological Association apology concerning historical racism. She is critical of aspects of psychology, social work, and medical systems, especially where she believes they have harmed Indigenous peoples and other marginalized groups. She also discusses historical medical practices and concerns about women being subjected to poorly understood interventions. 7. Religion and power She reflects on Christianity, Mormonism, colonialism, white supremacy, conversion, and historical oppression. These sections contain strong personal opinions and interpretations regarding religious institutions and their social impacts. 8. Sexuality and identity She argues for acceptance of LGBTQ+ and Two-Spirit identities. She criticizes attempts to control gender expression or sexual identity. She advocates for open discussion of sexuality, relationships, and personal choice. Important Note The transcript contains many factual claims about history, medicine, religion, psychology, demographics, and public events. Some are presented as personal beliefs, interpretations, or opinions rather than established facts. If you're planning to publish, quote, fact-check, or analyze this material, many of those claims would need independent verification. Overall Message At its core, the podcast argues for: Indigenous self-determination, Women's bodily autonomy, Respect for personal identity, Greater awareness of exploitation and violence, Critical examination of institutions and power structures, Personal accountability and self-reflection. The tone is highly personal, conversational, and often blends individual experiences with broader social and political commentary.

Marina Crane (00:01.526) Well, good morning, podcast world. Marina Crane here from Soutina. And it's early in the morning. Believe it or not, I've had a ti I've had time to gather my two great Pyrenees. Well, I don't know if you're aware of this, like on my Instagram account, I've been documenting the fact that every evening I have to go pick up my dogs from the construction site. So this morning I thought I'd I'd go to Timmy's to get a copy and there they were. So I had to I had to bring them home. That's the latest on my extr expedition with my dogs. The other hand too is like I have blocked my my cousin. I call her my cousin because her her mother is my dad's first cousin and her father is my mother's first cousin. now what I'm going to be talking about too is is the reasoning behind who she is because I didn't really see the whole the whole nature of of the dynamics of her personality and character. But that being said too, I I just want my audience to know I I do receive emails and like I really appreciate the Americans who are listening. however, FYI, I'm a Canadian. I'm I'm an indigenous elder living in Canada who had lived in the States for for some time. But but also understand this too. My heritage, like my great grandmother was from Minnesota and and my grandfather had land in North Dakota. So well let me put just put it this way. When you invite me or think that I'd be, you know, good in Marina Crane (02:07.084) being interviewed on your podcast or vice versa. no, I'm I I'm I'm grateful that I do get emails, but the reality of it is I I don't do like well let me put it this way, I do this for free but but if people are trying to to have a conversation with me or some sort of discourse, anything I do, even within the city, I get paid. I d like when I do public speaking or group engagements, I get paid. So if you can afford me, pay. Let's do it. But if you can't, then you know, I'm I'm sorry, but I I do get paid for this. I do get paid for my knowledge. What I give out to the podcast is free. and hopefully people around the world will say, yes, this makes sense because it does. I I didn't get to this point in my life like e like any any easy way. Pardon me. But podcast I'm gonna do today, like I went through a series of these and I do this every every day, like I I'm I'm I've you know, I've I've done I've done years ago I've done online courses and You know, a few things that I think normally, women my age just just don't get involved with. But I I have. Marina Crane (03:45.036) You gotta understand too, my I'm just trying to clear up all this stuff in my my chest here. So if I in if I'm coughing away, coughing up a lung, I'm sorry. But again, good morning to Darcy and Marie and Wednesday and I c I could name the the ladies who sent me the email and I'm grateful. Okay. I think what is it, Oregon and California? Ugh okay. Here we go in relationships with with with a female body. And this is this is a a lady who it's called Hell Motherhood. And I think I started that in terms of hysterectomies in modern day women because I think a lot of times when we as women make choices It it doesn't re we like when I made a choice some fifty odd years well, yeah, fifty years ago, I didn't expect to to have this this interesting journey when it comes to my body and my decisions. However it it does hold a huge impact not not just for indigenous women, black women, women of color, but also women in general. Now like I said this lady she her she's on her social media is held motherhood. a clear to be she says to be clear it's not just modern medicine and modern medicine does have a place in women's health care. It's the entire environment in which we live that does not serve vitality and optimal health. What our day-to-day life looks like, the way we perceive and value care and tending to our bodies, it's so ingrained it's like you can't even see the color of the water has changed when you're swimming Marina Crane (05:47.978) in the water every day. But once you see it you can't unsee it. And and that's the whole scope of it too. I think the as we learn things and as we age and experience different things in life, we you know, we these things do do happen. Now what's the hysterectomy in this country is A reflection of the modern day burning the witches. I think my point was missed entirely, so I just want to talk about it. What I mean is that there was a point in human history where women had such deep knowledge and relationship with their bodies, such dominion over choices like when and if they wanted children, was considered, especially by the church, sorcery in witchcraft. And women were burned at the stake for it systematically. So many women, in fact, that much Of this knowledge was lost. Today, we still live in a world where we can feel the repercussions of that. Because the dominant paradigm of health for a woman's body is the modern medical system that believes that our knowledge of our own bodies is paternalized into some outsized source, that our uterus is an inconvenience, that is pathologized, that is suppressed, that is silenced. Instead of us being in deep relationship with it. And I do believe that today there is a resurgence and that practitioners are remembering that we do have this sovereignty. It is our birthright as women to have this kind of relationship with our bodies. And that if we practice this kind of care, that the rates of pelvic health issues would be nowhere near the numbers that they are at today. And so this is my point: is that that we don't practice this kind of care for our bodies as modern people and modern Modern women, and that the dominant health paradigm that we are practicing is systemically taking our power away from us. That's why, like when my cousin, who is an Indigenous health director, makes claims like coaching me to kill myself. Now, understand this too. There have been times in the past couple of years too where she were just totally talking, and out of the blue, she'll say, Don't do it. Marina Crane (08:06.677) And I'm going, what are you talking about? She says, Don't kill yourself. And I'm going, at what part of our conversation in the context did I even utter that I was going to kill myself? And and then for the fact that she's doing this. So this whole podcast is going to be centered around that issue and the the reasoning, in my opinion, why she sees life the way she does. And and I think it holds to a lot of women who have certain issues and again too like I can't just go up and shake somebody and say, Wake up. So here we go. This is let's see Angus NY So that's how can make the famous Greek Hold on, I I'm sorry, I was looking at a at a recipe for onions and bread. Okay, sorry about that. I just Play it play it along like it's my dimension Alzheimer's. Like like you know, I mean I I try I kid you not. I I'm consciously aware that I'm aging and my brain is is you know, I'm trying to be as functional as I can. No details on that. The American Psychological Association issued a historic line by line apology in October 2021, not for past mistakes, but for creating, packaging, and marketing the very lies that justified slavery, segregation, forced sterilization, and over policing. Marina Crane (09:55.673) Below is the full text of the apology, the specific falsehoods they confess to, and the biomarker receipts that prove the damage is still in our cells today. Marina Crane (10:13.762) The apology text, word for word, October twenty-ninth, October twenty twenty October twenty-ninth of twenty twenty one. The this is in quotes the American Psychological Association apologizes to black communities for promoting and perpetuating systemic racism. At this. Marina Crane (10:40.96) We condemn ourselves for using our authority to label black people as inherently pathological, justifying segregation over policing, and forced sterilization and failing to challenge racist policies. Marina Crane (11:03.594) We pledge to dismantle racist structures and repair the harm by returning resources to the black communities. Marina Crane (11:16.982) Bye. Marina Crane (11:24.632) The specific falsehoods they confess to. The American Psychological Association issued a historic line-by-line apology, and here are the things that they confess to. Black people have a lower IQ. This was established in 1916, from 1916 to the 1970s. Marina Crane (11:54.093) Yeah, how come their apology wasn't as loud as details on that? The Americans No, her her name is Mama T-R-A-Y W-I-L-B-D-O-N. the unspell the unspelling podcast. And Why I put this, it's so poignant to Canada's truth and reconciliation and the whole point of like everything they've done to black people in terms of the psychology association i i is is dubb is a double edged sword. Because like like I'm I make criticism in terms of white psychologists, white social workers, even white ac white academic at the university level. And even like I I had a therapist who teaches at the university. Calgary. And you know, she she had issues with boundaries, and a lot of her colleagues, you know, would rent an office space from her, and she just they just couldn't handle working with her. Now, when I'd see her, she'd constantly write, be writing and writing, no boundaries, like it was a bottomless pit. And yet, what information has she taken with her as she's studying me? Not not only that too, like it's a con continuous that's why it that's why I say when people send me emails and I'm going, No, I you know, you pay me. You wanna interview me, you pay me because I've had it with white women. And and I've had it with, you know, s psychologists because the whole point of this is like what this lady said in in terms of of just you know apologizing. You know, Prime Minister Stephen Harper apologized for the Indian residential schools. So so the whole notion that, you know, something academically or psychologically or something is the matter with indigenous women. Marina Crane (14:01.046) And and that's my whole point on this podcast is is the reality of like what the hell are you thinking of? See, I've grown up with white people my entire life, so it's not something where I'm sort of fawning over them and try and saying, I'm sorry I hurt your your feelings like like like I said, our premier last week started crying. Like, come on, fake tears. give you know, like I said, get off the cross and I need the f wood to make a sweat. And again to all this interesting notions of what society has accepted. Marina Crane (14:43.35) women are oppressed in Judaism, in Christianity, in Islam, in Hinduism. So women are oppressed in all religions. And why women should marry a young? You know, the they tried I was about to marry when I was ten years, you know, but I struggled it hard. I struggled. Child marriage is universal. You're in China in genetics. It's like female genetic mutilation. It's like polygamy, monogamy, like you know everything, like everything related to women, it is universal because girls should marry young and the man is older to dominate her. You know, domination. The husband should dominate. So they the girl, Mary Young. She's ignorant. She can be manipulated. women are all see, and when I when I started wondering why people weren't reporting Nathan Chasing horse, you know, see when I I lived in the States and my older brother was getting married a second time. And so I you know, I flew I well I I drove I drove up to Canada and then and then from where I live he's another five out five hours north of here to to to drive. And I went into the community and I was completely amazed that there were like thirteen, fourteen, fifteen year olds with babies, carrying babies. Now I just thought, okay, you know, they're child child, you know, child pregnancies. But but even now, like decades later, and you know, I'm asking questions like, why is it why is it so common that people just thought it was okay for this man who'd had already fathered over ten children, portraying himself as being single and having this Marina Crane (16:38.554) charisma or some sort of power over women when really it had nothing to do with him having power over women was the attitude, the attitude of society in what how they perceived women and women's bodies, like that they needed to be controlled. So that the majority of times, even when I talk to some women, I'm going, why? And one lady said, well her husband's from northern Alberta and she said even his family like when a when a girl starts becoming sexually active, they they want to control her. So they will marry her off to an older man so that she will be tamed and listen to him about what she's doing. And and the struggle is so real. Okay, the struggle is so real. And I think a lot of young women in these northern communities find it disheartening that they'll they're forced into these relationships li so that somebody can control them. and this lady the podcast was N-A-W-A-L period E L period S A D A W I and Dr. Martinet, I S U I N C I O N and Liberation Psychology, decolonizing, healing the inner child. just things that, you know, like again, it's it's prevalent all over. And so even in my podcast when I do talk about these things and I get emails saying, it was so heart wrenching, Marina Yes, it's heart wrenching, but I'm a senior, I'm not a child and that's what's so heartbreaking is that Marina Crane (18:27.158) people don't realize that they're doing they're when when you traffic a child that's to a to to an older person or even if a woman an older woman is trafficking that child it's it's unforgivable. It's unforgivable that because do they understand or have they themselves gone through the whole system and are misogynists? And even okay, here's a fact about women's brains. They found that The the the female brain, postmenopause, starts to become a little more insulin resistant. That's not surprising with the loss of estrogens in particular and just a growing insulin resistance. But that that the herp the female brain was so it was getting so energy deprived because of its forced reliance on glucose, which again has a gatekeeper where insulin needs to be working well to get that glucose into the brain, at least all sections of the brain. And and so the the brain was starting to become energy deficient. That it started catabolizing its own white matter. Yeah. Its own physical fatty substance. The brain is a very fat organ, actually, has a lot of fat in it, in its substance. And it starts burning through its own mass in order to turn that white matter into ketones to try to make up for the energetic gap that is caused by the growing insulin resistance. I found So this is Dr. D R period M-I-N-D-Y-P-E-L-S-Z and B-E-N-B-I-K-M-A-N-P-H-D. And so they're two the two are talking and one of them they're saying one of the most important things Dr. Bin Marina Crane (20:20.3) Berkman and I talk about is about what I can ha what can happen to a woman's metabolism as estrogen begins to change. Estrogen helps support the way the brain uses glucose. So as the levels shift through menopause, the brain can become less efficient to assessing the fuel it once relied on. At the same time, that woman can become more insulin resistant. That combination can feel like an energy crisis in the brain and it's one of the reasons I want women to stop blaming themselves when their body suddenly stops responding the way it did at thirty. This is where understanding insulin, metabolism, flexibility, and the alternative fuel like ketones become so powerful. Your biology has changed and your strategy needs to change with it. See, when I took care of my late mother, I I took care of her, I was a primary caregiver. And for like over ten years she became a brittle diabetic. And a lot of times when I'd have to call the ambulance, I'd give her nitro, like she had she wore a nitro patch. and she also had like nitro spray and when when she would bottom out and she would her you know she would di was disoriented I I would give her juices now I had thought like okay it's important that she gets her sh her sugar down But when the ambulance came and and they were talking to me, see there were there were a lot of things I didn't understand. For one, okay, when it comes to the heart, even though I would give my mother that nitro Marina Crane (22:12.884) I I really thought like, okay, it'll stop stop her heart attack. But see what nitro does, it's relaxes the muscle, opens the the vent the vessels so it's op open so the blood can flow into the heart because the heart needs oxygen. Now understand this too. When you have a heart attack, you're gonna have a heart attack. That's it. Nitrospery just opens up the heart to get more oxygen. Doesn't prevent a heart attack. So so there are certain r things that You know, when when you're looking at congestive heart disease and and how you l understand your body, it's you that have to understand it, not your primary caregiver. It's important that everybody gets educated on it. But understand this too. When I gave my mother juices waiting for the ambulance to come and when she felt disoriented, the I didn't understand this until another pair and I got educated by a lot of paramedics and and internal specialists. I didn't Not realize because I always tried to make sure that my mother's sugar levels were normal when she woke up. But get this, and this is why I played this one tape. The brain needs sugar. Okay? Like when they're talking about the ketones and all this for brain health. Because that you know it's like eat eating the gray matter. And but if you they 'cause they said no, the brain needs sugar and I I think more so when and I again I'm not saying to go and drink colas or refine sugar. There are other natural ways in which you can your brain can can function without those the white substance. So again, you know, it's important for the metabolism of estrogen. That's why when when you go through estrogen therapy, even estrogen cream for your your your female organs and just the whole nature of of taking care of yourself, because women even though women can live without intercourse Marina Crane (24:21.076) It's important for stimulus. The stimulus still activates the brain and the hormones and gets all the juices flowing. I'm not just talking about the sexual juices, I'm talking about brain health, heart health. Definitely, definitely, you know, things that you wouldn't have even thought of because talking about masturbation is a taboo. You know, you're considered like a witch or even if you choose say, well I don't need to be with a man and you're you know, and the man is going, Something's the matter with you Like it you know, or you've been traumatized, like you poor thing. So I I think a lot of the conversations i in terms of what women feel comfortable in talking about i is important. But at the same time too, I think women really need to do some self reflection because a lot of times I think we hurt each other. Like I said, my cousin intentionally telling me to kill myself. dangers of the conversion. Marina Crane (25:32.217) This is This is why they're so scared because indigenous culture is such a threat to a dystopian vision of the future. The reason why indigenous cultures are the number one Of empire. It's not just the land, it is the mentality that indigenous cultures have that is a danger to all of the empire's hegemony if it spreads to non-indigenous people. So if white boys like me who happen to go to Palestine when they're an when they're an evangelical Zionist, and I suddenly I'm I'm in a village in the West Bank and I'm like, I like this. In fact, I like this better than my culture. They don't want that because then I might take that. that mentality back to my country, which I did, and become this person who's pushing for an like you know anti-capitalist back to indigenous roots land back indigenous sovereignty thing they're scared of that more than they're scared more than they want that land itself so right this is why they're so scared because indigenous so this is X O C H I T A S E H E She says this is what they're scared of. Indigenous wisdom is the threat to their di dystopian future. Our roots, our ancestors, our connection to the land, the water, the animals, and each other. The thing money can't buy and control can't touch. That's why they're trying to take, that's exactly why they hold on tighter. React so again she's talking about John Fitter Fitterrib. Marina Crane (27:17.328) Fitter lib and Bill Meyer living obituary with the Nor hadidi. So again, you know, indigenous wisdom and knowledge for these times. So a lot of I guess what I'm trying to say too is that a lot of times people are curious because, you know, they just look at things and and you know, figure, she you know, she she's interesting. I I want I want I want to talk to her. She sounds like an interest interesting person. Okay, so again, like I I want people to understand too, like, How many countries still allow child brides? you know, to me to me, when I talk to people about mm like the reality that I haven't been sexually active and that I could live without like h intercourse, the reality is like something's the matter with you. You've been traumatized. You've live like projecting their stuff onto me. And and I think that's one of the reasons why when it comes to two spirited people, I I have empathy and I can understand because they they've chosen a life. They they've they've this is they they've choked they how do I put it, this is who their identity is. And the fact that there's so many people trying to erase that, like even for me, it's like, do people believe you? They ask me and I'm going, it doesn't matter if they believe me or not. Marina Crane (29:03.862) And that's the reality of it, is like people just don't feel comfortable in their own choices. Marina Crane (29:12.33) No, here's Do you think any of this is by accident? In the nineteen thirties they were giving x-rays on every pregnant woman to measure her pelvis. And then in the nineteen forties they discovered that that caused the baby to have cancer. So they had to stop it. And then in the nineteen fifties and sixties, they had another drug called phalinamide. which caused babies to be born without arms and legs. And then they had to stop that. But you see, in every case it was after the fact. In the nineteen nineties, they were giving cytotech to induce labor in women who had had a previous caesarean. And they ended up with hundreds and hundreds of ruptured uteruses and many, many, many dead babies. before they found out finally in 1999 that they shouldn't do that. But you see, there's not a good history in obstetric practice of careful study of the long-term effects of all these interventions. This is why if you really want a humanized birth, the best thing to do is to get the hell out of And isn't it interesting that the third leading cause of death in the United States is medical malpractice? But they're not still using people as test subjects and guinea pigs today because they would never force people under duress in fear of losing their whole livelihood to take an experimental vaccine that would cause turbo cancer, mitochonditis in children, and all these other horrible side effects that kill them right away or eventually will kill them in the imminent future. No, they didn't know that was gonna happen. When you walk in those doors, ladies and gentlemen, you're handing your life over to these people that in the end, I don't know if they really care about you, because just go look at COVID in 2020. They went along with the plan because they were only doing their job and they believed what the Rockefeller medicine and Rockefeller curriculum was telling them to do. It makes you think, are people still their test subjects and their guinea pigs today? And is all of this on purpose? Marina Crane (31:28.268) That handle is A N E W R E A L I T Y twenty two. And like when I lived in the States and I had a roommate, I think she said she had to she was in her early twenties and she said if she ever hoped to have a child, she needed to have a child as a young woman because her mother had taken some medication when she was pregnant. And it created a lot of birth defects or something, but she had developed something that limited her window of of pregnancy. like I like a lot of times, you know, women take were taking things that they thought like this fellow said, you know, all this experimental stuff and it had extreme side effects, like e even x-rays. And and like for me, I I was born my grandmother's I I was born with a midwi midwives who gave gave me li like took they helped my mother birth me in forty below weather and I was breech birth. I went came out feet first. My one of my nieces sh well, most of the young women in my community try to have home births. And and and and and that's the thing too, is we're getting a new health center built. It would be nice to have midwives helping give birth to our children in in centers in our health center. Like I said, having sovereignty over our children where we can have births within our communities like we did hundreds and thousands of years. And even, you know, having group homes or group shelters, like because we're a collective holistic culture. Marina Crane (33:20.98) Again, this is sovereignty over our own child and family services, which is part of that Bill S six two that's coming out in Canada. And again, American people who are listening, like I I know these concepts are foreign to you, but this is how we live in Canada. And again too, it's I I really appreciate the fact that a lot of young Indigenous women are choosing to have home births because again, I like I was so brokenhearted when I worked with a young woman, her child her five of her children were apprehended. She chose not to get married, she chose so her children could be nation like have membership, wouldn't lose their status. And she was pregnant, went into the hospital, gave birth, she didn't even see her baby. Child and family from the Alberta services just took her baby. I was shocked when I heard that, 'cause I didn't think that was happening in this day and age. And within two months she died of a broken heart. And all of her children now are like in foster care or probably up for adoption. Like I said in my previous podcast about a month ago, one of the ladies said she was looking her and her partner were gonna adopt and the the adoption pool was all mostly indigenous. And this is in twenty twenty-six in in the city of Calgary. And I anyway, you know, as much as I mention it to politicians you know, get people to understand like it's fourth gen fourth world concepts are different in terms of what indigenous women are facing as well as children because we're the most vulnerable. But here's something about native men. Marina Crane (35:12.118) One of the biggest discernments between us and Western patriarchy is that native native masculine identity isn't it's not about dominion, right? And really I think back to my history and being raised on the reservation where I was really I was really you privileged to be a part of a generation, my dad and his generation who were revitalizing a lot of things in the community. But through that whole process, through through, you know, this men's circles and gathering and throughout my twenty something years of traveling native country, it's it's it's it's very clear that that indigenous masculinity is is rooted in reciprocity. It's it's rooted in in protectorship. It's rooted in understanding that we have a a very sacred role within this this greater, you know web of life here and you know one of the biggest discernments between us and Western patriarchy is that native native masculine identity isn't it's not about dominion right over land and women. It's it's it's one that's in service, that's understanding reciprocity. And so it's a it's a sacred role that the man must have understanding this first the vision that he has, but also understanding the steps that he has to take in order to fulfill that vision. Which is this place is in community one of the biggest discernments between us and Western And that's called our sacred lessons and that's his handle. And so like I sa he says Western f patriarchy like he's talking about how he how he saw things and how he was raised. Again too, a lot of these things too like he says he cites that stats in his work that's why he does the work he does on men's healing Marina Crane (37:07.358) And pre-colonial indigenous male kinship teachings, Western patriarchy, attitude and behaviors have infiltrated indigenous people for centuries. There is a movement for Native men to reclaim our original roles alongside the women in our communities. And Native women are asking for this for decades. It's easy to not see the movement happening when one isn't involved in Native communities day to day. So that that's why I when I talk about the difference in people pretending to be indigenous, because there there is that day-to-day involvement with one's community that is so vital to he the healing practices and even what native men are becoming. Okay, now this one has to do with pornography and a lot of times too, I didn't understand Like I said, I was very naive in terms of people having access to pornography online. And like like I'm I'm talking I was so n naive because I the only time I ever had really talked about it academically was in the seventies and seventy six and even that it wasn't like something in my study cur w study wheelhouse. Marina Crane (38:29.962) So this one Human trafficking of porn. If you're a porn addict, you'd most lik be pleasure No, I don't know if it's gonna come through the Seems like my internet's acting up once in a while here. So to a real victim being gripped. Did you do this intentionally? No. You think it's just a video? It's all acting. That's not true. From like 9 p.m. till four in the morning, I was right. They they took breaks and and told me I had to refilm sc scenes. I tried to run naked from the hotel room at one point. I was physically shoved back and there was someone outside of the door. I didn't even make it to the door. In the context of years in the fight against sex trafficking, so I had been fighting Sex trafficking when this began at the start of 2020. this was February 2020 when the the fight to hold Pornhub accountable for rape, sex trafficking, child abuse began. One of the stories that came up at late 2019 that really arrested my attention was a story of a 15-year-old girl, and she was from Broward County, Florida, and she was missing for an entire year. And she was finally found when her distraught mother was tipped off by a pornhead user that he recognized her daughter on the site. And she was found in fifty-eight videos being abused for profit. These are monetized videos. police, you know, were dispatched and they actually rescued her out of his apartment. She had been impregnated. How does an addict even get to the point where they see one of these videos? We build a tolerance to regular vanilla videos. And in order to get the same dopamine high, we need crazier and crazier content. The more perverted and taboo the video is, the higher the high. And then afterwards, when the post-night clarity kicks in, we're filled with guilt, shame, and regret. Marina Crane (40:11.24) We make a promise to ourselves that we'll never watch that again. But unfortunately, new neural pathways have been formed in the brain, and eventually we'll go back to the same filth chasing that same high like a drug addict. What are the spiritual implications of masturbating to a video of a real victim who's been human-trafficked and graped? Even if we're completely unaware of it. We think it's just acting. Unfortunately, we're becoming demonically possessed. How? These screens on our devices are black mirrors. There's an ancient practice called scrying, which involves staring into a black mirror in order to summon demonic entities. While watching porn, We're orgasming while staring into the portal of a black mirror. The eyes are the window to the soul. We're inviting demonic entities from here into here. Because we are participating in a ritual of PMO, which is porn, masturbation, and orgasm, while viewing something truly evil. Even though you may not be aware that there's a real victim in the video you're watching, you're still consenting to it by participating in it via PMO. It's a spiritual ritual, and this is how you get demons. And that's why you keep going back to the same filth over and over and over again. If you resonate with this video, you're not alone. I'm speaking from personal experience. So what do we do? First, we need to pray to God to help all the victims of human trafficking. Second, we need to stop watching this film. How? Well have you finally had enough of the shame, guilt, and regret? Sign up for my pornography addiction recovery course where I give you all Now again, I'm sorry if I he he's bringing in God into this because the to me that's a bit heavy handed. Sorry to have brought that in. But his his whole handle too is white magic tiger, like excuse me, the only reason I thought this video was important was because of of the the women who had been videotaped. in in porn and trying to escape. So, like I said, I didn't even know that you could access porn until the pandemic. And and even then too, like I I didn't even know the extent of how Marina Crane (42:10.466) barbaric some of the images are. I have a childhood friend who worked in customs and she talked about like the magazines that they'd have to confiscate at the borders or when flights came in from different parts of the country, like different different nationalities and what type of porn they had on their person. like it's like I I don't like the word diabolical, but when you have like like I said I'm sorry that the that I played that part about you know this demon and the black screen and shit like that. That to me that like that's just an excuse. I when when a person when a person realizes like what you're watching is is a victim. And and in in some cases, like even when a victim is scared, they they they will participate. And and I and I've watched. Like I like I said, I I didn't know you could have access to it or what it is and and like I like when I look at it I'm thinking there are eight billion people in this world. Eight billion and the fact that porn has been around like I heard about porn in the seventies. And understand when I was a teenager, like when I was fifteen, the only soft porn was like true confession magazines where they talk about you know finding messing around. Th it it wasn't it wasn't graphic. Even Errol Robbins, like the author, I I didn't understand the soft porn of that literature. until I actually read it in my twenties and I'm going, my goodness. Marina Crane (44:01.962) Or the Happy Hooker, that was a that was a book in the seventies too. So so a lot of these things like when when when I read certain things it stays in my mind and and I thought, my goodness, I I I really have to choose w what I want to read. But it's the same concept in in terms of I I don't think watching it is has the same degree of actually reading it. but I do know that that when it came to Nathan Chasing Horse and the hundreds of video that he had of of children and and the fact that they they were able to to figure out which hotels in Las Vegas he'd actually had been taping. And the fact that the hotels or the casinos of the hotel would w knew him. Like well, like I think in Las Vegas they have what, forty thousand like it's il it's legal to be a prostitute in Las Vegas, so there are forty thousand prostitutes. So again, th this is consensual. When we're talking porn and children, that's non consensual. That's non consensual. Big huge difference. And so that's why when this fellow is talking about like you know, this addiction he's not being specific in saying that he's addiction to addicted to child porn. So let the buffalo walk so anyway, I I just wanted to make that connection that that s the well obviously people would know like I I I I know the one of the ladies who had been in the cult with Nathan Chasingorse had said we were drinking the Kool-Aid and and she had to help the FBI and other agencies look look at you know to try and identify where the rooms were. And like I said here in my community that young woman who she met him when he was she was fourteen and the week after she turned fifteen had taken her three times and videotaped her. And and the fact that there were videotapes of him Marina Crane (46:23.394) with children. And that the probability of him uploading them or selling them, you know, to feed hi na I'm talking about Nathan Chasing who is uploading and selling these videos to porn hubs. Like like even in the story like the the one young woman who was missing for a year, they found her because somebody I de I had seen her in a porn video. and again, like I said with indigenous kids, the average age the targeted age is fourteen. And and even how they groom them to to have so many partners in a day. I I like when you're talking about energy balance and like just constantly having sex, their bodies heat up. And then after like four days or so they put them in the room for their bodies to cool down. And if their bodies don't cool down, they end up dying. And these are children that are being groomed and so that their bodies get used to having s many sexual partners. And no doubt, like at that point, they they they get videotaped for porn. The the industry is so intense, like a like Like I was talking to a fellow when he was a young man, I think a teenager, he says he said he w he saw porn and he says it was r it was really hardcore porn. I can't even comprehend what hardcore porn is, but this was in Europe. And I do know, like because my childhood friend worked in customs and you know, just the the degree or the like Like it's it's really gr like it intense. It's intense. And I think for me doing my podcast shows that how naive I talk about this. Because I am naive. But yet my naivete is is is sort of like the red flag and saying, Wake up you know, like, Hello You know, like like when my when my cousin says to her her her granddaughter, You're a girl, you were born a girl and you'll always be a girl and I said, Wait a minute. No Marina Crane (48:46.272) I said if she wants if sh whatever she whatever gender she chooses to be, she will s I was still I will still acknowledge her. I said there are eight billion people in the world today. Not all people are are living like this this life of heterosexuality. Not not all people are treating children with respect or women. And and and that's why I said, How many countries in the world still allow child marriage. And even sp in the United States, how many states still allow child marriages? And in northern Alberta, how many First Nations, anyway, Metis, still allow children to marry adults? Or like they give them away and live common law? like it it like again, when I was young and and I was sexually active, I I d you know, I did I sensed that these men were not like they I I knew that they maybe they were married. I like I didn't ask questions. But but the reality of it is like today when when you have when you have ages eighteen to twenty four on the software porn I don't know w I forget what what app it is, but fans only and they do this porn. The the the women who make the most money are eighteen to twenty four year old females. But get this the audience, the men who buy the porn are eighty million Americans, and those eighty million are married men. So when we're talking about what women give in terms of relationship with their partners, at some point Where do women stop where do women say to their partner enough like that's it? Or are they so blind and don't want to put boundaries down and give all that away when they are mothers of ch of boys and girls? 'Cause understand this, this sex trafficking isn't just with girls, it's also with boys. Marina Crane (51:10.048) Like understand this, the Republican Party when they have par when they have conferences in huge cities, that grinder website crashes because there are so many religious men, Republican men, who are setting up dates with other men. So the more we have conversations of bisexuality and what is healthy human sexuality, hopefully men will be a little more comfortable. With their sexuality. And so they're trying to coerce women for some because what they feel shame and guilt that they're bisexual. That's that's just my opinion and my theory. And hey, what can you do? I live in a shoe. And as the fry bread burns will say the soap opera, because sometimes I feel like my podcast is a soap opera. because like people are go peeking into my world and going, my goodness, she's how old? She must be suffering from dementia and Alzheimer's. Okay. Topic justified white supremacy. Hey. What can you do when you live in a shoe? It had to be. Because how else could you justify in your mind, I'm gonna take this land from these Native Americans and then I'm gonna bring slaves over and I'm gonna steal their labor? There's no way to justify that other than God really loves me and He doesn't really like those folk as much. And and as a result it's okay for me to exploit them. How how is it justified? Is it justified by racism or something religious or how is this justified in the cultural deep ancient mind of the people that who did all of these actually? I really want to understand. Okay, so the idea of white supremacy has a really fascinating origin. It actually starts in Spain. United States is definitely see, wouldn't he this this is his handle. V-E-E-R-N-E-T-W-O-R-K. Marina Crane (53:19.936) Like y like when you look it up and you'd look at the conquistadors or you look at Spain and the S like the conquest or the what what they they murdered and killed a lot of Catholics? Like because Catholicism was rampant in Spain. And understand this. When when a Mormon couple get married, they're they're they're married in the temple. and and so they're sealed for time and all eternity. And at the same time too, their children, when their children are born, they're born in the coven. And so again, I'm talking you gotta think of this as abstract, okay, 'cause I'm using this in terms of Catholicism and other religious dog doctrine. So understand this. It so anybody who who is not Mormon, who who doesn't who's who does who doesn't practice this in church and and every in every doctrine there because they call themselves a convert church, like all religions are convert churches, including the Spanish Inquisition in the 1500s, was based on conversion. And who did this who did the Spanish Inquisition kill and murder in the millions? They they did that to other Catholics. But it was a specific group of Catholics they killed. They killed the converts. They kill the converts that were Jewish and Muslim who convert converted to coloss colo Catholicism because it in their notion, like we're we're doing you a favor. We're we're gonna murder the bejesus out of you because hell is worse than what we're gonna give you and we're sparing you. So so understand this in terms of Mormonism. you know, the it's a convert church. So when they're converting indigenous people, Native Americans, who they call Lamanites or even black people, and and understand the notion of black people too, because it gets a little horrific here too, okay? Understand this. Those are converts in the Mormon church. That means there's no value in them because they're not born of the coven. Okay? White supremacy, they're not born of the coven. So they're expendable. Marina Crane (55:42.041) You know, poo-poo, right? Because they're not gonna amount to anything because their skin color. Now understand this in th which is a little different than other doctrine in k in in other religious formats. Mormonism believes that there's a planet out there and and that there's God who has thousands of w ch women who he impregnates And those children, he plants them all over the universe and galaxy, you know, billions and billions of lives he's, you know, implanted all over the world. And and lo and behold, there's Earth. And he sends his his the these spirit beings, these the the ch It sounds so preposterous, but I'm telling you, when I I can this is really uncomfortable me to talk about. When I was fifteen I I I was in an Indian residential school and there was a busload of us where they were called the Singing Indians. Okay, get this. Really? That's what we were called from Portage La Prairie. We to came on a bus from Manitoba all the way to Disneyland in California. En route we passed through Utah and I remember stopping where they stopped at the bus depot in Salt Lake City. We all got out to stretch and lo and behold, there were a whole busload, a skiing trip of white Mormon teenagers. I'm a teenager too, okay? So I'm looking at these white kids and believe me, I was appalled. their sexuality was so extreme. You know, and and in hindsight, like I spent over ten years in Utah. I went to Brigham University, I studied all their scriptures, and yet there are some things I didn't know. Like about that planet out there that is you c y you gotta you gotta really, you know, look at it because it's it's outrageous. Understand this. The people who are born of the coven Marina Crane (57:47.189) are are God's chosen. Okay, so that means those white people who are Mormons, they're not from Earth. They're raised to believe that they're aliens from another planet. And of course, you know, when I look at it as a teenager and I see all these white kids, you know, just openly hugging and kissing and you know just h like in in it in public, i in the bu in the bus terminal And I'm going, how could they be so openly just sexual? Because they're they're raised in the coven. They don't see themselves as human beings or with any consequences because they're aliens. And they've been indoctrinated into Mormonism to to know that they're the chosen people, because they're in the true church. And anybody else who's watching, especially me and any other Native Americans who are in that bus depot, they're they're they're performing. Because w we're we're we're we're nothing. We're the Lamanite. We're we're we're on the planet Earth. We're we're we're we're in hell. Planet Earth is is not a good place. We're the bottom of the pyramid here. We're in the caste system that's the lowest of the low to be a human being on Earth. Whereas the chosen who are in the coven are aliens who were implanted by their Heavenly Father in some planet out there. that that has thousands of wives who spreads their seed across the universe. I kid you not, if you think I'm bullshitting and lying, look it up. I can't even remember the name of the planet. And and yet, okay, understand this. When it comes to conversion and like I say, the Spanish Inquisition and and I talk about Mormonism and even right now what's happening in the United States with ICE Marina Crane (59:54.197) and and people looking at the indigenous people who were were born and raised for thousands of years in the Americas as still being of the earth at the bottom of the caste system that we have to be to shift away to Panama or someplace. That that whole concept is still in place with Republicans or just in terms of s white supremacy, it's so sickening. It's so sickening because again, this is a religion that was created recreated by a a man who has been documented as a pedophile. And and this whole notion of the you know, everybody who is born in the coven are are aliens and and that eventually when they you do all this work on earth you're protecting yourself from from pagans like the Lamanites and the blacks because you know well we we we weren't part of that whole conversion because we chose to fight with Satan. Yes, believe it or not. I mean there's a reason why I do my podcast and I talk about cults. I went to a ritual abuse conference at Brigham Young University and there was a lady there who had 30 documented 30 personalities her father and her brother and there was a whole small group of to of people in a small town in southern Utah who were culted like they I mean Mormonism is a cult to begin with. But but just ritual abuse to the point of killing babies and impregnating just like when we talk about trafficking, this was this was within the congregation where they trafficked children within within their circle of Marina Crane (01:01:53.561) priesthood holders and women who y anyway, you look at all all the stuff that they have about Mormonism, i it it's it's it's really Like you even look at the town of Provo, Utah where they have where there's Brigham Young University. That that town in itself is like Shangri-La because people who who rent understand, millionaires, like ex really well to do Mormon people send their children there and they want them to be protected. They they make sure that they they shop around for the best places to rent the houses off campus. Understand this. When when you're renting and and you're making sure they're gonna live by standards, standard means no sex. Okay, so you sign this paper at Brigham Young University, you're not gonna have sex unless you get married in the temple, la-di-da. Okay, so the so the landlords and the people who are renting know this. And even even people who are students at Brigham Young University know this. So if you have a vendetta against your roommate and you're both attending Brigham Young University, you can snitch on your roommate and have them excommunicated and expelled from Brigham Young University. So so the the notion of like you know purity and piety and all that is is is is like a fallacy. It's a false notion of safety. Because once you leave Provo and Oram, you're in the real world. You're in the real world of generations of Mormons who who are alcoholic. You know, have there's rodeo and buckskin bunnies, you you name it. And Utah is poor, okay? like I I I'm sorry. You had to live there to actually experience it, and I did, and I'm grateful that I have. And Marina Crane (01:03:52.649) whatever I can do to to ease your mind that you know there there were good things I mean there are good Mormon people too, just like there are good Catholics, good Anglicans, good Jewish, good Muslim, good h Hindus. I'm just saying the the more you understand a per a a a group of people and you and you and you're not like being naive about human sexuality, th you know, it's it's a tragic tragedy because in the long scheme and run of things, it's how we treat each other. And and so I go back to my cousin, the one who had been coaching me to to die. Like I said, even th before, like You know, you had this one, two, three strikes, you're out. Well, believe me, I'm not waiting for the third strike. And like I had said before, there were other times when we'd have conversations where I'd debrief with other people. I said, Sh yeah, she told me not to do it, and I was wondering, what is she talking about? So well don't kill yourself and and even then I confronted her and said, At what point in the conversation did you think I was talking about killing myself? I said, Why do you think this? I didn't say nothing like that. And then and then for me to talk about like as you age and you you either quit your job or retire, that it's important to enjoy the the last years of your life and and that's in some countries like well I said Japan and sorry to my Japanese audience if I misunderstand this or misconstrue it, but the whole notion was that the suicide so that your children and your aunt your grandchildren can take your property and and like and your and the business and and and thrive from it so so that you're you're re so that they fill that void that that you left when when you've killed yourself. again, that that's a value and belief and and commendable because out of all the countries in the world who the d birth rate has dropped Marina Crane (01:06:02.818) The reality of like this is a very ancient civilization. So it's not something like a a conspiracy theory or something new. Now, again, this other thing that I'm going to play has to do with infidelity, because my cousin had an affair for over a decade, I think 17 years with a married man. And and it plays plays into context of how she sees women. Because understand this, she quit her job and in her community the chief is a young woman who is a who is a lawyer. And in the community where my cousin comes from, her her chief is also female. So you know, when we talk about women and we talk about misogyny and lateral violence, I want you to think about this whole point of self respect and fidelity and how women who cheat who who cheat with married men their their mindset. So hopefully this gives you some insight into my my cousin's life and other women like her. Marina Crane (01:07:17.302) It says when a wom this is a vulnerable understore understore underscore gangster. When a woman desires another woman's man, here's what's happening. It's not that she is in love with him. It's not that she finds him fascinating. And it's not that she would want him if she he wasn't this other woman's partner. Let's break these down one by one. One, she doesn't love him. Contrary to social belief, love is not something that happens out of our control. It is something we create by the way we think about someone. Why most people don't fall in love with a married man or women or w woman is su is because in their minds it's not an option. They don't create romantic thoughts about them in their minds, and therefore no romantic feelings. It is our thoughts that translate into feelings, and our thoughts are conditioned. What we are attracted to and what we are repelled by is programmed into us by society, trauma, and belief systems. The reason such a woman starts having romantic thoughts and feelings about someone else's man has more to do with their partner, the other woman than him. She has a negative admiration for his partner, AK jealousy. So in other words, my cousin was jealous of this man's wife. And she wants what she has. Now understand, this man that she had an affair with was a very handsome traditional man who had was one of the first indigenous police officers in Winnipeg. And then later when he married he stayed in his home community. Now th she cannot admit that she wants to be like her. So in other words, my cousin could not want to admit that she wants to be like Marina Crane (01:09:34.809) His name was Frank, like Frank's wife. So she has to unconsciously, unconscious, or this unconscious urge to prove to herself that she is better than her. And what better way to achieve that than by making this man leave his woman and choose her instead? And the thing is like even in the conversations I've had with her when she disclosed she was having this she had this affair, mind you, the fellow has passed away now. His his widow is still alive. But the reality of it is like she says, it was it was so good, Maureen. I wish you could have experienced what I experienced with him. And and she says, But you know, the things that she couldn't do for him which makes sense in what they're saying here about about Her and women who the infidelity. Number two, she does not find him fascinating. So, in other words, it's a fallacy when she sees Frank as something fascinating. She is actually fascinated with his woman, and what makes him fascinating is her thinking what does that woman see in him? He must be special if she loves him. Now, this woman, you know, she had children with him. And she's a traditional woman. I don't really know her, but but again too, here's my cousin. But of course, this is unconscious to her. That's my cousin. She protects her own insecurities and self-hatred onto other women to feel better about herself. And she had said this to me at one time. She says, Marina, I wish I were you. Okay, so a lot of things have been adding up s you know, consciously about why I've chosen to just not be a friend to her and to not have contact with her. Now it goes on to say, and she then on is on a mission to prove to this man that she is better for him than his partner. And she has said that. She said, we have you know, intellectual conversations, like trying to prove that she's better than his his wife. Number three, she would not want him if he wasn't Marina Crane (01:11:51.245) this other woman's man. Okay, so again, you know, if he was single, sh she wouldn't be interested in him. Sh had she met this man in other circumstances, she would not have the same interest in him. He got the credit points in her eyes from his connection to this woman she is jealous of. See, and that's the notion. That is the critical notion is that she doesn't she's unaware of the jealousy she has towards me, j jealousy she had towards her her the place where she worked, the female chief, or even the community where she comes from who has a female chief. She can't even comprehend that that like that she is jealous. A woman in her d a woman in her dignity, self love and acceptance would never want another woman's man. Only to only a an insecure woman, a jealous woman, a wounded woman, who never grew up with being a spoilt child will do will do that. who grew up from being a spoiled child would do that. Okay, so she was a spoiled child, a wounded woman who n who never grew up from being was never a spoiled child. sorry. I'm reading it wrong. So yes, d but see this is the whole thing is like she she met the man in other if she had met him in other circumstances she would not have the same interest in him. He got credit points in her eyes from the connection she connection to the woman she is jealous of. And the thing is even though they they she stopped having an affair with him, the whole notion of the other woman, the whole notion of the other woman she has carried and still carries for decades. This Marina Crane (01:13:49.171) misogyny she carries. I mean it it's it's it's amazing that she hasn't sort of let go of that. So it's the little girl who has who was used to always getting what she wanted and her self worth was tied to her possessions is the woman who will want to get whatever another woman has that she thinks she doesn't. Like even in Indian residential school, bless my poor mother. You know, she bought me some perfume. It was beautiful scent. And and you know, and the thing is like the girls in Indian residential school they'd steal it because they they wanted it. And I mean I I mean I I have I have a story of stealing pennies. So you and the lesson I I was taught by by from from that was a lifelong lesson. But it i it and it's it's amazing because, you know, I I learned that as a child and and here's my cousin who still hasn't learnt this lesson. So because she has to have something she wants and she has to be the best. And she's cause she's always saying, I I have a degree. Well poo poo, hello. You know, this young chief that she that sh that was her boss is a lawyer and You know, and the female chief where she comes from in the community, like sh she's female. So if you are a woman who experienced betrayal and want to see it, you can save your relationship and rebuild trust and connection with your partner. So like see the thing is the it's like the Marina Crane (01:15:35.169) you you y you like trust and connection trust and connection with men that's that's the bottom that's the bottom line and like I like I said to my cousin I I'm grateful that that that I I have the respect of like I've felt the respect of a man and that it's important it's important for women to have that to feel that warm, fuzzy feeling of res of of respect. And and the fact that she has it and she's projecting all that hate onto a whole bunch of other women other than myself. But the fact that I know her intimately makes makes it dangerous because like one of the young women says, well who can protect her? If she's thinking this way, she's looking at her own self-harm. And there's nothing I can do 'cause I've tried to talk to her. Like whenever she's said things like, don't do it or like just just the the the how she sees herself, even in like just being tired, like exhausted, I c I call it battle fatigue. But she's sixty five. And and like I said, for decades she hasn't gone to therapy or looked after her mental health. The next one has to do with today is a bad day. Marina Crane (01:17:11.768) That's Nahani Fontaine. Marina Crane (01:17:22.856) Every day, indigenous women get up across this country from coast to coast to coast. Every single day, MMIWG, two us families get up from coast to coast to coast to talk about. The savage levels of violence against indigenous women, girls, and two-spirited. Every single day, there's not one day that our women don't get up to demand from governments, from every level, from society. To protect Indigenous women, girls, and two-spirited. Not a day goes by that we don't ask for that. And today is why. Today, what we learned today is why we ask people, why we ask governments, why we ask politicians of every stripe to protect Indigenous women and girls and two-spirited. To give the resources to that social service infrastructure that helps protect Indigenous women, girls, and two-spirited. There are consequences, and there are deadly consequences when we don't prioritize the protection of Indigenous women, girls, and two-spirited. And today is one of those days. This morning I sat at eight o'clock in the morning with the family of Morgan Harris. As Bernadette and I have done for many, many years. Sat with MMIWG families, not only here in Manitoba, but across the country. As they've had meetings with police, as they found out details, as they were notified of the of the death of their missing loved one. It is devastating. Marina Crane (01:19:37.484) devastating to see the heartbreak from family. Marina Crane (01:19:50.73) It's devastating. To be standing here again, to be having these conversations again. It's devastating to be standing here begging society to take this issue. Marina Crane (01:20:14.612) Seriously. Marina Crane (01:20:22.444) This individual went on a killing spree. He targeted and slaughtered indigenous women because he knew or thought that nobody would care. He targeted the most vulnerable of our society, those that we should be protecting the most. Marina Crane (01:20:52.8) And he treated them as if they were garbage. Marina Crane (01:20:59.822) Our women, our little girls, our two spirit, are not garbage. We are not disposable. We are sacred. And we're loved by our families. And the families that were mentioned today are no different. They loved their loved ones. And I I want to say that I am grateful to the Winnipeg Police Service. I'm very, very grateful that they were able to arrest this monster and get him off the streets on May 17th. God knows what he would have done in the span of just several weeks. He slaughtered four of our women. So I know that the WPS are looking for information on the fourth young woman that hasn't been identified. I'm encouraging folks to come forward if they have any information so that we can at least ease the pain and the suffering of another family here. Marina Crane (01:22:15.854) That is n Nahani Fontaine. She's a political leader in the Manitoba legislation. She MDP MLA for St. John. And this was something that gives you raw that like when I talk about indigenous women and our consciousness, it's the reality of the things that we have to face. and and how we talk to other Indigenous women in terms of gaining support and traction in in dealing with this. And so a lot of what I talk about when I say in terms of healthy human sexuality is is the notion of identity, the notion of why we are who we are today. And especially when it comes to how w we ourselves have neglected Yeah. our own spiritual self and and no matter how much we if we don't have the capacity to do self res self reflection or understand that we we need somebody's help to to understand our our our mental health. It it's it's one thing for like my cousin, to to be so battle fatigued that as the decades went by she neglected she neglected her her Like who sh who she sees in terms of respecting herself as an indigenous woman and and even the rigidity of it, like there there has to be some flexibility. And I truly believe as we get older as Indigenous women and and men. Marina Crane (01:24:07.896) That we have to have this flexibility in in understanding that we're we're we're how we grew up is different from how the next generation is growing up. And even how to talk about people and deal with things. Like like even talking to another person about my cousin and they're they're worried about her, and the reality of it is like Like for her for me to give a background and say, No, I I do reach out to her, I have talked to her, I'm not getting through to her. And and for her to be at such a low point in her life that she can't see indigenous women like the accomplishments of indigenous women. Marina Crane (01:25:00.436) And and the notion that like why did she why did she do what she did and understand like her point in in envying and looking at a man's partner. And that she it's reciprocal. It's it's the ripple effect 'cause I don't even I wasn't I didn't know her then, but I'm feeling the ripple effect from something that happened decades ago because she hasn't let go of it. Marina Crane (01:25:45.072) Okay, let's see if I can get this here. Mother says We're gonna kill up. They don't know their own history. So they're gonna learn today. They're gonna learn today. So Mother says, now that I have all of the information to give your audience the full, honest, documented picture, let's go. The story America, who were the Amer the European peasants? Who came through Ellis Island? The story America buried inside its own origin myth. The numbers first. Ellis Island operated from 1892 to 1954. Did y'all know that? Marina Crane (01:26:35.835) Peak between 1900 and 1914, approximately fifteen million people came through. Fifteen million Europeans came here. All the way up to nineteen fifty-four. No visas, no passports, no nothing. Forty percent of all Americans alive today are descended from someone who passed through Ellis Islands. Which means their history in this country didn't begin until minimum 1892. That is not a footnote. That is the foundation of what America calls its white majority, which we all know they're not they're not the majority, right? They don't know their own history. So that's Mama Trey Rip ribbon. That's M-A-M-A-T-R-A-Y W I L B O N. And okay, so understand this, like what she said, 15 million, 40% of the population that's European, that came in with no passports or anything. Understand, I'm I was born in nineteen seven fifty-two. So like Like that like that's like seventy seventy five, seventy six years ago. That that's just a fresh population of Europeans in in the United States. Now get this too. when when you look at the population of black Americans I think it's the same population as Canada. It's ten percent of the American population, which is equivalent to the Alberta the Canadian population. So imagine the whole country of Canada being black. Now you take that population and you look at you do the DNA of all the men. And understand like when they do the DNA of black American men, 70% can trace their DNA back to their fathers. Marina Crane (01:28:48.451) like their father's grandfather. Okay, and understand this, like like say say someone came from Nigeria and came into the United States and that parti the the grandchild or the great grandchild could do their DNA, they would show that the great grandfather came from Africa. I mean, even though like okay, what am I getting at? The majority, seventy percent of black American men their their genome, their their the one that's passed down from father to son is European. So a lot of this European influence in the United States of America has has been infiltrated by slavery. Like understand, when they stopped say slave slavery, they there was a hundred years of just breeding farms. And it those breeding farms created bot they were European men impregnating black women. And and so that's why the majority of black American men have their connection to white European men. okay, so all this in terms of having slaves. And again too, when we talk about that, we're talking about fancy boys and fancy girls and human trafficking. And then it even goes into like native the indigenous population where where they tried to create slaves out of out of indigenous children. And and so the whole hush-hush of of the Indian Act or the the grooming of of minorities is has been tried has been trying to be erased. with people who are denying denying Indian residential schools because the the the sugarcoating i is slavery or possession or or the taking of land or or the domination of of like like I said marrying marrying children. you know the the whole notion of that is is based on Europeans. Marina Crane (01:31:03.339) So I mean you can criticize me for all that you want to, but it's in the DNA. It's it's in the DNA when it comes to tracing the origins of the the male genome. And and even the things too that are that are most popular in terms of bloodlines and stuff like that when you follow the matriarchy. So anyway, I hope this podcast has been interesting to you. like I said, I I know some people are interested and have been listening. And again, there there's reasons why my cousin is who she is today. And it's not just the fact that she's indigenous or has an education. I'm talking about other women too who have had affairs with men. who who d you know weren't interested in the man, they were interested more in his partner and the possession of why she would be interested in such a man. And if he were single w would would of my cousin have been interested in him in the first place. So these things like are important. And I'm just grateful for the decisions I've made in my life. And like just The reality of like, no, I've I've had to just step back and not participate. Because in terms of participating, I I would have I would have been a misogynist. And I maybe in some degrees I I am in some ways in some things, but I'm willing to work at things and understand why I do the things I do, or even to understand and help myself be a better person and and navigate. navigate the things that are important. Now I think what's important in my podcast is is for you to like really look at my podcast when it comes to erodomania and limerence and also the the the versions of how minorities look look in terms of we'll call truth and reconciliation in canada or or cross-cultural orientation in terms of systemic racism Marina Crane (01:33:27.895) Okay, big words, big words. but again, like I said, I'm really grateful that people have been emailing me. I appreciate it. However, I do this podcast for free and and if you want to invite me, it it costs money. I I I like I like I said, I go to meetings in the city and I get paid. And Rightfully so, because in in some ways if I didn't get paid, people wouldn't really value my words. Okay, have a good day and it's Marina Crane (01:34:12.323) The twenty third of September.