The systemic issues of racism, misogyny, and lateral violence within the context of a legal case

(00:00.82) Hello. Good morning. I just wanted to start off early. Well it's noon here in in Mountain Standard Time. what I mean by early is I've got off the phone and I have this conversation fresh in my old brain and I wanted to get it out there before it filters into the universe. So yesterday's podcast was about the criminal defense or the lawsuit against l a lawyer Brime from Soutinna. Longtime lawyer in tsuutina. Now what does Soutina have to do with all this that's happening with Danielle Smith and his and her cohorts of pretendians. Well it it's it it's taken years. It's sort of percolating to the top. And and you know my whole gist about Nathan chasing horse, you know, that's twenty years ago. Like I'm talking about systemic racism, colonial ways of thinking, misogyny, lateral violence, just percolating over the past twenty years. Now, at the same time too, I've had some really good white friends, cohorts and allies, not pretendiates, actual cohorts and allies. And I like I said, I'm trying to do this right from the stop, start fresh. When I was interviewed by the Fifth Estate, the This lady said to me, Marina, because they had just broken the story of Buffy Saint Saint-Marie, the greatest pretendian of them all. Like it that's appropriate to start off this whole sh smear of pretendianism and false cohorts and allies. She's one of them. Broke the whole story. And she this this lady said to me, what they uncovered when they were investigating Nathan Chase and Morris. and his circle, like the cult, that there was a lot of things that they couldn't publish because the C B C had taken so much criticism when it came to exposing the Queen of Pretendians. Now that's been going that's what, three years, two years ago? So again, I'm saying things have been percolating. Even even before then, before we had our our council election, there was a young man, he'd have (02:25.474) you know, community meetings. And I did talk to him. I spoke to him about my own understanding of how the chief and counsel, certain leadership, had protected Nathan Chasinghorse by paying rent for his followers in various parts of the United States wherever they were living. And and again I'm going to say names with with some of them, but I have to say the former chief because he's he's involved in this lawsuit, when it comes to this lawyer that the chief had hired and had been around, this lawyer had been around for decades. So so Chief Roy Whitney, like his his childhood, like I I'm the same age as him. But you know, I went to Lord Bishop Grandon in high school and you know he had a reputation of denying that he was indigenous. Walked around his even his father had a nickname because he was this indigenous culture worker for students. And he they called him cover girl. And I used to say, why? Like whenever there was a cruel statement, I'd always say, why playing the innocent? Well it was because he would wear put on white makeup so he wouldn't look he'd look more white than indigenous. So so it percolated from the father to the son. Now, using religiosity and shit like that, I have a white friend and we were talking and I again I'm talking to some other women this just a few days and hours ago. And I said, I didn't even know what the what the software grinder was. if you don't know, look it up. Because I said, Yeah, all these Republican conferences they have in the United States and this website grinder crashes. And I and I said, and also too, like what what is the difference? You know, like Muslims like in in Iran, like in the seventies, the women were had rights. They were you know, w their their faces weren't hidden. they were you know, they were openly wearing you know, f regular female attire, they weren't wearing burkas, nothing. Why am I saying this? Because this whole shit percolating from Danielle Smith and the USA and Grinder will say and e even that fellow who just died. (04:48.906) at 71 and all these the the the the mistresses or misters the tr transsexual people he had affairs with are coming out because he he paid them to be silent. Now that he's dead like it's free for all. But that's the way what happens with death and how you live your life. And and for me, like I said, I'm an elder. This is my opinion. Whatever my legacy is when I do pass like am I am I going to be devastated that nobody shows up to my funeral? Hell no. I think life is meant to enjoy and live. Even though I've made mistakes with with people I've acquainted myself with throughout the years. Like it's live and learn, especially when you're a minority and you have pretendian cohorts. But but I regress. The lady from the Fifth Estate had had said, you know, they could have done deeper in depth job. But but I do think there was more to it. And I'll explain I'll explain as I'm going along talking about these issues of of patriarchy and misogyny and lateral violence. So understand this I've been involved with radical movements in terms of you know people having conspiracies or like taking away the rights of indigenous people. And and when I look in my community and I look at my dad and his his first cousin and how str how you know how hard they worked. My dad f installed central heating and plumbing and so did his cousin for the first time like they had to take out loans. And this was like what, sixty years ago. A a lot of things have changed, like even alcohol coming into the community So a lot of the shame of being indigenous and poor really resonated. And and so I grew up in in a community where I could I actually could see people who were ashamed to be indigenous. Now how they dealt with it and whether or not they healed from intergenerational trauma, like like we're still living in it. Now recently, like I said in my podcat yesterday. (07:11.714) This lawyer, Brom, had sent emails to this construction worker who was associated with Daniel S Smith his R E Marsky or Sam Marski, I'm saying his name wrong. But that man and his association with the the building construction company and the ten percent of thirty five eight million was given to him when only ten percent of the work was done. All this was sort of quickly done before the old chief and counsel were voted out. I mean sa there's still some old chief and counsel that are cohorts in this. But the reality of it is like it took a group of young men and women to to expose this lawsuit. We went to a band council meeting and there was argument. It there was hundreds of people. Because everybody knew this lawyer. My goodness, a white God, white savior, complex. Even my own cousin, like, no, he's a good man. You know, I had relatives saying, how dare you? And then you have friends of this lawyer says, Look, we we've worked with him for decades. Yes, he's a good man, but we had to let him go. Now it's exposed why they had to let him go. They didn't expose it during the ban meeting. They said you wa we have to wait. It's you know we've got lawyers working on it. Wham bang, thank you, ma'am. Shit hit the fan a couple of days ago. Got some band member saying, Why didn't we know about this shit? Hey, you were if you were at the band meeting and you were listening, what weren't you thinking? Why didn't you use your intuitive skills and you know, trust the people that are voted in and ask them? Establish some trust, dammit. 'Cause like I mean Geez, if people come to me and ask me questions, I'll be I'll be serious. You know, I I mean, when the fifth estate asked me and I said, look, the band, you know, the our leadership, talk to them, and I gave them lists of leadership. You know, and and the reality is like the the two former chiefs had had gone and even band members that were related to these former chiefs had approached one of the ladies. (09:35.321) Who was paying off reserve housing. Now understand this. When when you're elected into a position of power and you're supposed to protect the vulnerable, the poor, these are children. And and and under the guise of of spirituality and cultural identity, you pay the rent of a 14 and 15 year old for 20 years. Like, excuse me, and then you have the audacity to approach off reserve housing and threaten them with their jobs if they do not pay that rent? Like, you know, really now that's part of colonial way of thinking. That's how the white men came into Soutina, trained all these people who are a couple of years older than me, four to five years, six years older than me. I think once they got their high school education they were deemed fit to learn on the job training. Well, they learned their jobs pretty damn good. When I was director of education, I found out where all this money was going and it was going to, you know, a r one of the original men who had been trained and he knew how to hide that money in his own program. So anyway, as I was saying a couple of years ago, well well there was a head controller in Sioux Tina who had twenty seven pages of of accounting that could pr show where the money was going in terms of of the chief having money siphoned into his relative's construction company. Now there are other band counselors that had money siphoned into their own companies. Like even one used his own relative to take over the company so he it looked like he wasn't there wasn't any conflict of interest. And yet that individual is being charged with a sexual assault to this day. And the former chief is also charged with two historical sexual assaults. One his was on men and the other was on a woman. The history of misogyny and and we'll call rape culture and and even lateral violence is so entrenched and smells of hypocrisy. Now my late father would say people don't have a backbone. Now today, even though my father has been gone for almost gee, three decades, four decades, nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine, at the age of forty two. I mean fifty two, sorry. (12:03.714) he'd say about backbones. Now as I reflect, I'm going that meant for me it means people who are not ashamed to be indigenous. People who are not ashamed to be indigenous will not put their hand out. People who are not ashamed to be indigenous will not turn the other way when a friend needs them. Now I said historically, like even in the world, when you go into countries where you have militaire militarized police and they go in to homes and they're they're knocking in the neighborhood and they knock on your door, even though you've been raised your whole life in these with these people from child childhood, teenager to adult. Knock on the door, is so and so your neighbor? Yes. Are they home? Yes. Have they done this? Yes. They know damn well that by doing that they're They're sentencing that person to a firing squad. Well that's how human beings are when when they're ashamed or something about you know, like they're pretending. And and and you know, that's like for me, thrown under the bus all the time. Have my fucking opinion and what did I do? My whole life, somebody writes a letter to Chief and Counsel, word gets back to me, Marina you wrote a letter. Did not write a letter. Why the hell do people create narratives about me like this? Because they hate me, 'cause I'm an Indigenous woman. Now, even this podcast, like I've said, I'm I've met many women across Canada and and parts of the United States that you know have experienced lateral violence. But to d the degree of what Daniel Smith has done to indigenous women, at the guise of all her cohorts, like this fellow Sam. merc merc Merc Merkesi anyway in this lawsuit. you know, he (14:09.058) Let's let's all start off first with the native woman's shelter. I used to be a board member for the Native Woman's Shelter eons ago. And and one of the reasons I stepped down was because I realized like they I was just a signing figure. I was, you know, like they were using me just to sign checks. And I didn't feel comfortable about that because again the one of the ladies who again too was volunteering. I mean I didn't know they were, you know, g getting their money because I would like it They were making money. And here I was signing checks. So I I'm any wait, hold on. Let me put it this way. Lateral violence. The one of the other the ladies in the board was suffering from limerence. And and to this day, decades later, she still hasn't recovered from limerence. So yes, when I have a topic and when I talk about limerence and and lateral violence and intergenerational trauma, like how it affects women. one of my acquaintances would call me because she knew I was on the board. And at the time there was legal litigation between the former executive director of the women's shelter and this new board. Come to find out like Danielle Smith has been putting her cohorts in different First Nations non charity organizations, non profit. So what did they do? They changed the mandate of the native women's shelter. you know, I I I I for the life of me I just assumed because this person I knew was actually from Treaty Seven that that she would stand up for this and and in in a way it sort of blanketed it. Okay, so so so any money like non profit, just how the pe the separatist government or the Daniel Smith regime puts money in and has immigrants, minorities fighting over those dollars. And who's the sacrificial lamb? Indigenous women, the native women's shelter. Now, even though this acquaintance of mine, like I'm haven't talked to her in a couple of months, and that's fine. I mean, when I I needed her twenty years ago, she wasn't there for me when I was f you know, raising the alarm about Nathan Chasingors. (16:35.436) You it's one thing that women can get together when they you know, when they want to. Like come together for the whe was w wache pee ceremony, but when it comes to come together and ex like banish this man, nobody stepped forward. Now again, this all has to do with people working for the nation, fear of their jobs. Yes, okay, that's that's it too, but that no, you you there is a point where you have to step down and say, No, I will not This goes against my ethics. Shit. Like really when you when you see the rippling effect and how much people were trying to raise the alarm about Danielle Smith and her cohorts and their finger in the native women's shelter. Like like they've changed the name, like every like they've changed everything from the original post of when it was when I was board of director. Now, doesn't that seem sort of funny? But again, too, this was all set up to create fractions against minorities fighting each other for nonprofit money in the city of Calgary. You know, ta ha like really, you know, when I'm asked to talk about indigenous history, this is part of it. This is part of it that people who come from other countries need to listen to what's happening and what's still going on. Understand this the leader of the Separatist Party. Ha you know, took money from the most vulnerable Cree children in Northern Alberta's trust fund. And he has the audacity, the audacity to say, let's separate from Alberta when he is stealing money, the very breast milk of those young Cree children. And again, too, look at the Native Women's Shelter. Who are they supposed to be protecting the most vulnerable? Women and children. And again, such an at chief in counsel, who are they supposed to be protecting? The most vulnerable, women and children. And yet, when women like me get up and say, listen, there is a predator in the flock. Listen, there's there's somebody out there, you know, in in this rape culture, trafficking our girls. Nobody listens. (19:05.388) Now, at the same time too, y I talk about child ch you know the the fact that you know, even we get provincial money for child and family, that doesn't mean that we're sovereign. Because if it meant that we're sovereign, then why the hell why the hell when I'm working with a young woman who's pregnant, children have been apprehended. As soon as she has her baby, she doesn't even see the baby, they take that baby away from her. Within two months she's dead. Brokenhearted for being a mother. An indigenous mother. Now another lady who was in charge of Nietzsche Institute. Now I told you that I volunteered to do the first budget for the first detox treatment center in Sutina. And throughout my late mother's life she worked hard. She trained, she s she made sure she did all her due diligence in educating herself in addictions. And Nietzsche Institute helped. They helped. A whole lot of communities within First Nations, Inuit, and Metis communities. Now, this just this within Daniel Smith's regime, this fellow who's associated with Soutin and this recovery center that's being built, what the hell did he do? This Sam fellow? He was an instigator enclosing Nietzsche. What the fuck? You know, when I talk about pretendians and I'm saying You know, don't show your fucking status card if you don't know what it's like to live in First Nations, Inuit or Metis communities. You know, my mother worked and all those indigenous people who went through the Nietzsche Institute lived. They didn't live in urban areas. Now these people have lived knowledge. You know, you give all these f these PhDs to people and say, well, they're lived knowledge. Where the hell were you when Nietzsche Institute was being closed? These are indigenous people like my late mother would have the capacity to teach other indigenous people about addictions. And what the hell do you do? You fucking close it down, give that money to Sutina and eleven other organizations in Alberta. (21:19.246) Three of them are indigenous Sutina, Nietzsche Enoch and Metination. Now look at the shit that hit the fan because of how corrupt our former chief is. And our lawyer, what the hell did he do? Giving information to this Sam, Danielle Smith's Sam? And what the hell, all this news media? You know, one of the band council women going up to To the legislation saying I'm talking on behalf of Chief Roy Whitney. Bullshit. I said he just threw her out to to the to to be sl to you know, like I said, a a male buck will send the the does out into the field first to see if the coast is clear. So if there's any hunters there, he's not gonna get shot, he sacrifices one of the does. Well that's what the this chief did to this bann council woman and she took it. She's taken it her whole life. Talk about fucking treaty rights. She had meantime she's being manipulated and doesn't even damn well know it. And she says to me, I don't have to deal with Indian residential school and the trauma I faced. My goodness. But hey, you know, when when I say, you know, yes, when when the government appointed the lieutenant governor. a Cree man to be lieutenant governor, he says, why are they doing this? And I'm pretty sure a lot of the indigenous people who have received honorary PhDs have asked, why are they doing this? Now and they say, well it's lived knowledge. It it's it's it's you know you you've lived your life, you're this is your experiencing, we're honoring it. In the guise of what? Daniel Smith? You know, the the whole premise is like, we got we're recognizing indigenous people. That's bullshit. I have a white friend who has worked in nonprofit and she says when we approach the oil companies, they'll just say, just throw money to the First Nations and you wouldn't make tea. Keep them quiet. Well, that's what Daniel Smith has been doing on her cohorts. But at the same time they've been collecting money and putting it in their fucking pockets. Like you look at that that fellow I mean, all this separatist movement (23:43.893) And at the same time, why? Why did this happen here in my community? Again, because people are ashamed to be indigenous. They don't want to look like I've been poor, I'm not going to be poor. Well you can't damn well take it with you. But you know what what happens? The legacy of our women and children. Now my hat's off to to these these young people who fr with the new chief and counsel who are doing this. My you know like I I'm gre deeply grateful that they're listening to people like me. Now, I'm not saying what I'm saying they endorse me. I'm doing this independently. This is my own opinion. Because I've lived here. So I I know I know the structure of Nietzsche Institute and and how valuable it is because I have a university degree. I've worked off reserve most of my life. And it the fact too is like hello. Ever since I was a baby, I was bust into the city being around white people, talking white language, coming back to Sioux in a being, you know, with my Sioux mom and my Sioux dad. Like, hello. You know, back and forth. I can you know, and people have a hard time comprehending this, but hey, for me it's natural, it's normal. I've been acclimatized to it. And and so yes, of course, I am gonna advocate for for people. Like the lady who was in charge of Nietzsche Institute and how they just kicked her out, just said we're not paying the bills anymore. After how many years? Fifty years? I mean, mind you, one of the one of the founders of Nietzsche Institute is is being is being charged with sex historical sexual assault. But, you know, I mean It comes out of the woodwork, people. Like, you know, people can gasp at indigenous people, and I'm going, look at how sad the President of the United States is. You know, like I was saying, you know, with Muslims in Iran, like they hate women, like men hate women, generally speaking. But okay, at least they at least they say it openly. Okay. (26:05.194) And and and you know, and they're open about their homosexuality or their bisexualism or whatever men, you know, in their sexual revolution. 'cause that's what it seems like because all of a sudden, poof. It's okay to be just with men, but women are lower than dogs and animals and they don't have a right. And basically that's what's been going on here in the Americas and a lot of women, women have botten into it. And if we don't watch out, we're gonna end up like the wearing burkas and hiding our faces. But you know, as an indigenous woman, seeing that how my mother and my grandmothers lived in that same status and and even what, in the seventies or eighties, the women were allowed to marry whoever the hell they wanted to marry under the Indian Act. You know, a lot of people don't realize like even when you have hate crimes, because of the Indian Act we don't have the same rights as immigrants. Say Muslims when there's perse they're persecuted in in the cities in Canada. They can take the they can take their perpetrators to court, but but not indigenous people. So a lot of the immigrants who come into Canada and look at us as if we're lower than dogs and cats and mice and even lower than a snake's belly. The Sioux have no swear word. The way you called down another human being is saying you're lower than a snake's belly. So yeah. These these politicians, you know, they really don't like being lower than a snake's belly, and I'm sorry, but they are. They are, and you know the tragedy of it all is like, my goodness. You know, if If men if Muslim men treat it women like this and Donald Trump treats women like this and Daniel Smith is buying into this with all her male cohorts throwing all women under the bus so she could she can't be lower than a snake's belly. What does it say about women? (28:35.318) You I'm really grateful I have a white friend. She's sixty-five. Now, you take a white man and a white woman, same position, same job, same everything. Now for her, she's still struggling. She shouldn't be. Because she's a woman in this environment here. But she's a vocal woman. And I you know, I treasure the conversations we have because without her insight and and her friendship, I wouldn't have been able to let go of my indigenous acquaintances. Especially when it c it's come to my own private life and and just the so called neediness. Marina is so needy. You know, my one of the things my aunt taught my my her children is not to chase after people. and the reality of it is like when you're in limerence you chase. All all peop like everybody limerence isn't everything. But it's the the degree of how how in depth or how far or how long this limerence has been clinging on to you i it can be very dangerous. So again, you know, all the ceremonies to have identity, the w wachepi, the sundance, all all this to make money. And it it's not just in Sutan, it's everywhere. And even the survivors of Nathan Chasing horse, when I spoke to them to raise alarms about certain spiritual leaders, they already knew. They already knew and they No Marina, we know but we don't you know, they'll call us but we don't r actively engage. And I'm going, thank you. Thank you. Because you know, that's that's the nature of being indigenous, networking, trusting each other, especially when when you've been a victim and and you have to rise to the occasion and and face your fears. So so everything that I do isn't because I'm unique. No, no. I try to say in my podcast, I'm just one of thousands and thousands of indigenous women who've lived through this shit. (30:52.792) Who've advocated and who worked hard. My mother used to walk sixteen miles a day to go to work. My father, you know, even working as a soldier in the military, and the systemic racism and the racial slurs he had to take every day. For what? Like today. You know, the it's it's the grandchildren and the children who remember these. their grandparents. I'm just really blessed and grateful that I lived so long to see this percolate to the top. I I worked in the state hospital in Utah with high suicide risk girls. I was acquainted with the behavior of teenage boys. But when it comes to this recovery center and the gossip and the like the like they said, I think in the news article they said how many forty thousand they paid for the communities to understand what this treatment center was. Did I hear anything about it? No. I'm just coming from my own lib knowledge of my own work experience with with high risk suicide girls and my study in psychology what what come may in in terms of like my own mental health and again, you know, yes I studied, went to therapies, had a cohort, a friend, so called who's an acquaintance now, Thirty years, forensic psychologists. I mean, really, anything and everything I've discussed over the past twenty years has hasn't been just gossip. You know, sure, throw it throw me under the under the table or under the wagon or under under the ice floor, whatever. Try to silence me, and I'm going, No, something's not right. And and the reason I'm not friends with this forensic psychologist is because he it was a therapist to to to Roy Whitney. And he never disclosed to me, you know, why he disliked the fact that Roy was enabling Nathan Chasing Horse to thrive in Sutina. He didn't. I I thought, okay, it's professional protocol. And you know, so he never really disclosed Roy's propensity for boys either. Now all of a sudden and even this didn't you okay (33:17.748) I I made sure I went to therapy because I was the caregiver of my mother. and I didn't want to be burnt out either. So I made sure I took care of my mental health. As hard as it was to to look after my late mother, I I'm grateful. I've learned a lot being a caregiver. And I'm not just making excuses. I'm I'm saying advocacy and this podcast and and just the teachings of my late mother and my parents Is is is and my grandparents mustn't forget them too, bless bless them. But (33:58.521) What the the r th it's it's just it's just the whole notion that when I started getting attention from my blog and how my so called therapist was so intrigued in trying to get information from me, she within within a month she had set up sh within a month yeah, a month and a half she had set up four therapy meetings and I'm going Why? And then and then my so called acquaintance cohort therapist, forensic therap psych psychologist who wasn't my therapist. Thirty years ago he'd been my therapist, but he wasn't three years ago. my goodness. Talk about throwing me under the bus. You know, wanting a piece of the action when Fifth Estate report investigative reporters started calling me. And of course I was so fucking naive, I'd talked to my therapist, I talked to to Paul, and shit. You know, if it weren't for if it weren't for indigenous activist in Calgary, bless her heart, Darcy knows who's I'm talking about. if she hadn't invited me on if I hadn't asked her to invite me on a podcast, this whole dynamics wouldn't have come To fruition. It wouldn't have percolated to the top. You have to understand, too, my my one niece who's in her 50s now, who'd followed Nathan Chasing her for 20 years, would would would confront this lady and say, Why are you interviewing my aunt? You know, she's not the ideal person to interview. Now, this is coming from my niece who was supposedly hog tied and raped by Nathan's followers. To this day will not press charges. To this day, still supports fucking Nathan Chasing horse. Disassociated or what? But I'm I'm saying this because this was happening during the time when she would call this creator, this podcast creator, and and tell her, discredit me not to interview me. And the lady interviewed me twice, the first time with with Paul. And and she thought that Paul was my therapist. I said, no. (36:25.72) He he he is the main person who I invited to interview my niece Roberta who was a danger to herself and others because of how angry she was towards me because I was looking after her brother and sister. After my brothers and sisters r used up all child and family money. They didn't have any money, so they didn't have no use for our own niece and nephew, so I took them in with my mother, my late mother. that's the reason for the forensic psychologist because he was going to supervise vi home visits with with my niece Roberta and her brother half brother and sister. Again, you know, that was the reason I brought Paul into the whole picture of it. Not knowing at the time that he was a therapist to to former Chief Roy. And and again, here's my therapist wanting to, you know, like Marina I'll do phone interview therapy session for an hour. And I just said to her, I'll reschedule. I haven't rescheduled. Because like, why do they want the skinny? Why, you know, 'cause she what? She's interviewed over three hundred survivors of Indian residential school and got money for that. You know, and she's she's a white woman using Indian last name because she married an indigenous man and divorced him. as as As the fry bread burns. Or what is it? What do they say? Take your fascist fry bread and burn it. Yeah, apparently one yeah one young woman went to Daniel Smith up in Edmonton with pancake breakfast and said, Take your fascist pancakes. Well, of course, women should be concerned about this, Daniel Smith and the women's like how women are being demeaned. When I talk about lateral violence and misogyny, I'm telling you, I feel it. I've grown up with it. I try and tell people when I you invite me in to pray and give me tobacco, protect me. I'm coming into territory, I don't know these people, if they're indigenous or not, and if they hate me as an indigenous woman because I represent their grandmother, mother, auntie, cousin, partner, who the hell knows? They just because of what I represent. That's why I tell people. (38:46.72) If you've been raped, if you've been sexually assaulted, deal with it. You don't want to grow up projecting that all men are rapists. You don't want to have you don't want to hate men that way. 'Cause I live it all the time when people hate women. I you know, I e I I gotta be vocal about it. It works both ways. But the reality of it is that the majority of the majority of what's happening with politics when it comes to people taking advantage of the most vulnerable. my late uncle used to say, we lease our land out and the farmers get rich and they're, you know, draining the tit out of Mother Earth from our lands. And I'll bless my uncle's heart. You know, I know I know everything we do and learn and how we grow up and how people love us. is important. And I I maybe that's the reason I am who I am is because of my uncles. I only had one aunt growing up here in Soutina. All my other matriarchal duties came from the Sioux side 'cause I had all aunties on my mom's side with one uncle. So it was completely like balance. And and you know I really appreciate all my indigenous cohorts allies. And and again too, you know, it it's it's sad. It's sad that you know people want to look at the Muslims and and say, look at what they did against women's rights. When when here's Danielle Smith doing the same damn thing. And and yet and yet there are women following her. got her into that position. What what This woman closed the changed the native women's shelter in Calgary. This this woman this woman closed Nietzsche Institute in Edmonton. This woman who supports the separatist leader of the province, this lawyer who has taken money out of the mouths of it vulnerable It Cree children in northern Alberta. This woman who supposedly wasn't even cohort in cohorts with Chief Roy Whitney. (41:13.71) 'Cause he had to send his female counterpart up to Edmonton to read a letter that he was not in support of Danielle Smith. And yet the proof is in the pudding. When he hires a lawyer who who distinctly in an email, and it's in the Toronto Golden Mail, you know, t giving him a d you know, sending him a memo. Shit. And all the money, how it was divvied out to that. Company. Again, this company who's running all these recovery treatment centers in Alberta? How fucking millionaire is that? You know, people can say and do and think, gee. But really People need to what Daniel Smith says to the chiefs, check yourselves. What the hell, Daniel Smith? (42:16.536) You know, I've grown up with white women like you. I've had white women for breakfast like you. Yuh, what a disgusting thought came out of my mouth. But the reason I'm being so obviously horrific in my description of this wom ugh this woman is because of the way she's used other indigenous women to write her speeches for her. You know, the way she sort of prostituted herself to the indigenous leaders in Alberta. And then what? I mean, she's almost like a promiscuous woman. Doesn't, you know, d gets gets off on being in these relationships and then kicking them to the side and walking away. There's no love lost. But you know what she's doing? She knows what she's doing. She's getting pleasure. pleasure that she can't take with her when she leaves this world. But but like I said, indigenous people and the chiefs of Alberta have gone come together and not only that, but even at the national level. You know, when Daniel Smith picks on indigenous women, especially matriarchs, who have children who are lawyers who have children who are advocates, who have friends who've been in the political landscape for decades, ever since we were late teenagers. Like talk about fucking lived knowledge. You know, Daniel Smith, when did you decide that you wanted to understand indigenous people? In elementary school, high school, junior high, college maybe. You know, I've I've grown up with white women who were friends of mine in high school. Never once claimed that they had indigenous blood. Even in college. Never once claimed they had indigenous blood. So that's why I say, what is a fucking pretendium? Someone who tries or even establishes to get a status card has never lived in indigenous communities. Now I have arguments with young indigenous women who say, Well I have you know, I'm indigenous, but I've never lived in First Nations inuit Metis communities. I say, Are you an activist? (44:40.194) You know, there's a difference because when you're an activist, you get your life threatened. You get called names. You know, you have to protect yourself if you're an activist and if you're a female with indigenous status, and you look white. You know, I have like I say, my grand my great grandmother had blue eyes, spoke su fluently, educated all of her children. She was under the age of five when she ran her family ran away from Minnesota. Largest mass execution in American history of thirty-eight Sioux warriors. (45:19.456) Advocacy Advocacy of indigenous women fighting for the rights of their children and grandchildren, educating racists that have been raised in a systemic racist environment. Look at the cracks in the the tea well we'll say the the the cracks in our own home indigenous homes criticizing well why don't you fix that fucking crack, you lazy savage? When we say, Look, you you've been sitting on a pot of gold called the Indian Trust Fund. And and that's why you are great. That's why you're living in an urban area. Yet has that money ever come back to First Nations Inuit in Metis communities? You know, right now we have a lot of pretendian Metis trying to fight for that Crown Land money. Yet w what? A lot of the times taxpayers say it's our tax money. No, it isn't. It isn't. You're sure Daniel Smith wants to, you know, work at all these big companies, these oil companies, this Embridge. Hey, our ch former chief Roy Whitney, his company has been dealing with Embridge. Even going off sending her d his daughter into BC to negotiate with a former a former friend of mine who sits on the council and in in w what what's that place? By Nelson Kidamat B C. You know, I I I have networks, I've people call me. You know, I I know I know how much money oil like oil companies have thrown to different political leaders within First Nations communities within Alberta. (47:12.76) You know, there there there comes a time when we have to look at how we're protecting our women and children and why they keep on falling through the cracks. And why people don't want to listen to indigenous women bitch and complain. They're tired of seeing the fry bread burning. They're saying, Come on, you stupid women, turn that fry bread over. I'm hungry, I wanna eat. You know Ex excuse me, but don't you think that the reason it's burning is because we want the attention? You look at all these forest fires. What does Mother Earth say to you? Look at all the data centers in northern on Ontario and what Daniel Smith wants to have in Alberta. Do you know when northern Alberta because of the tar sands, all that groundwater has been sucked up like a sponge in Fort McMurray? So that indigenous people who used to l have bul bogs underneath the ground have to travel an hour out of the forest to get water. wonder why the force are so fucking brittle. You know, why is Mother Earth burning her fry bread? Are you paying attention? Do you understand it? As the fry bread burns? Bless all the matriarchs in First Nations for their humor. Because when we talk we talk about, yeah, this is a soap opera. It's call we'll call it as the fry bread burns. Or as this young white feminist or I don't know, this white activist through is being thr pulled away from Daniel Smith's pancake breakfast says, Fascist y take your fascist pancakes. my goodness. When you when you start to understand what the word fascism is. my goodness. Sometimes I kid myself and I think, I'm not an intern international scholar. (49:17.142) I don't know what's happening in London, Spain, Rome, Russia, China, Hong Kong yet it's the human experience. Fascism is fascism is fascism. And and men are men and women are women. So again, it's tragic. It's tragic that our own people, because of our laziness or our need to prove that we're smarter than the average Joe even though we don't have a damn degree between us. Or we don't have we don't have the wherewith to compete with with the other cultures, that that we have to bow to the colonial construct of colonialism, to say, look at like look at me. My fry bread isn't burning. I'm the perfect Tolkien Indian. Shit. anyway, I wanted to do this podcast because it just it it it just floors me. It it it totally floors me. The like it's like a jigsaw puzzle or or some sort of crossword puzzle or you know, where you have to draw take or even like years ago they used to have paint by numbers. You know, and you gotta put all the you gotta do you gotta Connect all the dots to see the image and the reality of like how stingy, how fucking greedy. You know, I I grew up in this systemic province. I I didn't even know about industrial schools, I didn't even know about in Indian residential schools, because the government's narrative was so good and indoctrinating. and educating those children in Indian residential schools. Until they grew up and started having children and having starting having social problems. Until children like me started getting an education and wondering and under trying to understand their parents behaviour, their their their uncles and aunties' behavior. Like I'm just trying to understand alcohol and addictions. But even that, that is just the tip of the iceberg or the umbrella. (51:46.041) For the deep seated behavior, the constructs of what we feel is comfortable and what we feel isn't. And not understanding that it's not comfortable learning. When you learn it's not it's not like sitting back watching a movie. To learn or even to understand concepts or constructs takes a hell of a lot of and brain power. A hell a hell of a lot of like thinking and talking and having narratives and getting opinions from other people because of how you feel and how you think. It is not easy. And I keep on saying it like I said before. When I took those men who sexually assaulted me, I believe before that my life was easy. Because I didn't have to think about human behavior. I didn't have to think about like if I was being if I was myself Gaslighting somebody, if I myself was manipulating somebody, if I myself was lying, if I myself was doing horrific things under the guise of some religion or some policy, my facing my fear and and and standing alone and and talking about my feelings, understanding and un understanding Was I ashamed to be indigenous? Understanding my early childhood and and and how I perceived what reality was and is today, and how I share a common experience with all of humanity. It takes an effort to think and to have trust with people. And it's the trust that we establish with other people outside of our culture, outside of our comfort zone, that proves and determines just how much we've grown. Now I'm really grateful for all the networking that I've done since the arrest of Nathan Chasinghorse and all the spiritual growth that I've that I've managed to keep (54:00.656) Because you gotta understand a lot of these people who gravitate today than chasing ours. wanted to know their culture. (54:14.425) So and it's important. It takes a lot of hard work. You're gonna get hurt by people who pretend to be cohorts and allies, but that's part of learning and live live knowledge. And and again too, it's accepting and re and releasing. sometimes when I do talk to people about my feelings I get I get offended and hurt because of how they see me. And and that's okay. That's their journey, that's not mine. But at the same time too, I I'm amazed at at sometimes like what I don't understand. Like I didn't even know what grinder was. I didn't even like I knew what pornography was. Like things like that I know, when I talk to different people, different backgrounds, they always look at me like Marina, you're so naive, that's so sweet you're naive. But that sweetness is very painful when it comes to learning about life and and that people who have some some knowledge use it against other people. And that that's not my intentions. My intentions have been perfectly open and that's why I advocate for c holistic collective ways of healing and and how in having that you're you're establishing trust. Because it takes a hell of a lot to heal yourself in order to even trust somebody. And if the family of origin has d hasn't done that for you. It's it's just w it's within our human capacity to find to find people who will do this. Now I'm not saying go run in go run and join a cult, no. No, that's that's a taboo. What I'm saying is have have the courage to to break those boundaries and barriers that keep you keep you safe and sound or what you think is safe and sound. See for me, (56:28.215) Am I safe and sound even though I I live alone in my home and I don't network with people in my community unless it's a social event? no, because because there the mechanisms of of patriarchy and taking away women's rights, taking away the rights of indigenous people who've worked decades to help heal our communities, and you have one separatist person claiming that they can get richer by being American. Like poo-poo, I've lived in the United States, Daniel Smith, or that Roth guy or that Sam fellow. Jeez. All their bullshit. That's like listening to Trump. He's a sad sack. Look at me. Look at this. Look at what I've done. Look at the jeez. Like is a broken record. I mean geeze. From a different cultural perspective, like, hello that's I know, I know in some senses I I really think non Indigenous people when they're listening to me just like, Marina or like they're thinking at least I'm hoping they're thinking, my goodness. She sounds like she's not even indigenous. No, but I am, I am, I am indigenous. There are so many things that I'm so ignorant about, so naive about, and yet that's what makes me who I am. And yet I'm trying to give s s from some some foundation of why I went through all this shit just just to tell my story about Nathan fucking chasing horse. Shit. The amount of people that I tried to get him arrested putting it out there hoping that some somebody would say something. I (58:33.687) You know, this young woman who wrote it on Facebook, like does she realize how long I've been waiting for her to write something down and for somebody, some white police officer or somebody to read it, to charge this bastard? Like how long did I go out there hoping someone would listen as much as she despises me and hates me? That she did the job that I hoped she'd do. It didn't care who she was. I didn't know where she would be from. And I hoped and I networked, and everybody who contacted me, I hoped that they were the ones. So, yes, with my podcast talking about just how painful it is to know that. We elected officials who did this to us in our community, and that there are other First Nations in Metis communities who are not pretending, who are living social injustice every day of our lives. That's why, you know, I really struggle to tell people don't pretend to be indigenous. I'm telling you in this podcast, this is what it is. Years of networking with people decades, decades. (01:00:08.333) The director of Nietzsche, the former director, I've known her since I was nineteen. you know, what, thirty thirty some odd years ago, thir over thirty years ago, I was on the board for the Native Women's Shelter. Like that's decades. Even that in my early twenties, writing a proposal for a detox treatment center, understanding what Nietzsche was, understanding how the federal government was just giving little bits of money you to hire to hire counsellors who who are burning out who you know live it. I'm talking to you who support this progressive conservative government who wants to separate Look at look at what I'm telling you. And then I did a I I did th that was in my t like I think about twenty five but in my twenties when I tried going back to high school. I mean mind you I've got a degree. But but to put the budget together for the first daycare center because w I saw that women were trying to work, indigenous women young women were trying to work like my mother. I I I'm the oldest, so yeah, I bring a lot of garbage. But the fact is, just from that, understanding that that even then we do not we did not have sovereignty over our children. I I I I'm very like I said, I'm very naive because I've never had children. So the stories that I that I hear from gr the grandmothers and the mothers now (01:01:56.088) as a as an elder when I when I look at their struggles and I know the sacrifices that they've made in their lives just just so that their children could stay close to them, so their children would never ever have to experience themselves living in Indian residential schools. Like it and and the audacity of even our own siblings who are still ashamed to be even associated with another sibling because why they live in First Nations. You know, the hypocrisy and the dynamics of systemic racism lives and flourishes in our communities, First Nations Inuit and Metis. So if somebody who is indigenous is challenging you with your status card, suck it up, buttercup. You know, we're coming from a place of a lot of systemic racism. And if you have that status card and you've never lived in First Nations Inuit or Metis communities, Advocate. Do you have the courage to be called down, to be threatened with your life, for advocating for the rights of your ancestors who live in First Nations Inuit or Metis communities? Do you understand how bad it is out there? Once you stop fe eating the Kool Aid, like drinking the Kool-Aid, that's what one of Nathan Chasinghorse's followers said, Marina, we were drinking the Kool-Aid and we We didn't know. But there's a point where you put the Kool-Aid down and you stop drinking it and you sober up from that Kool-Aid high. And then that's when you face your fears. Because somewhere, someplace, it became systemic for you. In whatever culture or whatever background you come from. So anyway, that's my rant for the day. It's just the the reality of like. How dare people use propaganda and news media to discredit Muslim people? Especially when when people like the Republican Party and Daniel Smith and all these cohort men are what, hiding their bisexuality, their homosexuality, hiding their sexual urges and needs at the expense of who? The most vulnerable women and children. (01:04:24.057) So yes, there there there are differences in our sexuality, but at the same time there's so much that women have been doing for decades since the beginning of time to raise their children. And without even realizing we're giving away our rights as women under this regime of Daniel Smith. Who is it hurting first? Indigenous women and children. The average age for a child to be trafficked in in and around this area is fourteen years old. When they did the sting operation here on Sutina for twenty four hours, five thousand men tapped into that website. For children. (01:05:20.237) When Nathan Chasing Horse came here, his first erotic Like he he was already into to that eroticism of scaring children so he could sexually feel aroused. So obviously what he was doing had to been created even t ten years before. All these things if he had lived in his home community, d they they would they like how like exactly why do people leave? It takes a lot of courage to come home. (01:06:01.242) takes a lot of courage and when you when you do swallow your pride and and you do start accepting and being who you are, there's a certain relief of like, I really don't give a shit. I'm burning my fry bread. I'm the one that's gonna eat it, not you. But no, I'm a joking j all jokes aside, it's it's devastating that so many even though it you can see the percolating part of it, the lawsuits and You know, all this happening. It just imagine like the children and the women that that have had to struggle. You know, when I lived in the States I didn't get any help from my tribe, nothing. I worked full time, I went to sch I tried to go with school full time. So yes, of course I was very critical when I realized that our chief and counsel were paying rent and and education and and whatever else that these followers of Nathan Chasing horse needed. (01:07:09.697) Now like they're very aware of the criticism. But you know, it's it's gonna take it's gonna take a while for the new generation in their twenties and thirties, and even the ones that are being born to understand the the the social impact of of the legacy we leave behind for for the next generation. That's why for me I I keep on promoting the togetherness, being being able to trust each other, establishing hope and trust and and bearing witness to our own injustices with people we trust. No no matter what color the skin is, because it's only skin deep. We we all function at different levels and and I know sometimes my white cohorts probably really probably I really piss them off but Bless their hearts, they still stick it out with me. So yeah, I do this podcast to to also bridge that gap. And and hopefully, as they're learning from me, I'm learning from them. And and rightfully so, because, you know, my white female friends, i I know it's not easy. It's not easy to to live in your world and that you have to keep fighting 'cause you know, you don't want t ten, twenty years from now having to have your children, your grandchildren wearing burkas and not even practicing medicine, law, practicing freedom. So that's that's what it it's all about. We have social media. And yet at the same time, how much of this social media are we understanding? Most of the times when news is being reported, it's only the top, the like as fat percolates to the top, that's all you see. You don't see the stew that's been created and whether or not it's tasty or not. So I know I have this al analogy of food. You know why? 'Cause I haven't had anything to eat today. With that being said, I'm gonna let you go. I just wanna thank all my my actual cohorts and friends who stuck it out with me, who (01:09:34.927) who've helped me be the catalyst for whatever needs to be done and said. You know, I I value friendship and it's also painful for me to let go of of those friendships. But in letting go I realize I gained longevity. And hopefully Creator will bless me with more years to come.